Over the years i've asked a simple question: Where is titan keeper freya? I think i finally have the answer

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I’ve posted here a few times asking the question: Where is titan keeper freya?

I explained her absence in the defense of ulduar in legion, the disruption of the cycle of rebirth relating to ardenweald, the destruction of teldrassil, the awakening of the dragon isles and watchers, the discovery of khazalgar, and so on. For like 4 expansions or longer she has not appeared. In fact Freya is the only keeper to not appear in Legion and does not answer the call of the hear in BfA.

I think I have finally figured it out. I made a video essay about it on youtube as well which is still uploading but I wanted to sort of throw it out there now.

Titan keeper freya will be in the rootlands.

Why?

Eonar was given a seed by Elune to plant the first world tree, Eluna’hir, according to a lore item in the Emerald Dream in Dragonflight. Amanthul was upset by the world tree and demand it be destroyed, ripping the top of the tree off. Eonar told Freya that though the top was destroyed the roots would grow and life would flourish as a result.

The tale then goes on to say sometime after the fall of the black empire guardians would find the roots to worship and protect them. Orweyna and her people, the harronir, worship and revere the roots growing under khazalgar.

We even know where this world tree was.

Remember the emerald nightmare raid in legion? Il’gynoth, heart of corruption, occupies a world tree in Un’goro crater. Malfurion says that if Il’gynoth’s corruption of the world tree in the titan’s playground were complete, then its corrupting roots would go all the way to the core of the world and unleash the nightmare on all of azeroth.

The world trees feed on void energies. Concerned with the spread of Saronite, Fandral staghelm created the great tree clones around azeroth from cuttings taken from Nordassil in Hyjul. The great trees he planted were very effective at removing the saronite from their regions. To celebrate the cleansing, they planted the final great tree in Northrend where it would grow rapidly becoming the world tree of Andrassil. When the roots of Andrassil grew into yogs prison he was able to find a way to corrupt it creating the nightmare where it lay dormant to fester.

Succumbed to the madness of yoggsaron Freya hid away in the plant nursery part of Ulduar, isolated, doing who-knows-what. Now, if you ask me, it doesn’t make sense that a plant very good at removing old god corruption would be corrupted by an old god. Personally I think that the maddened Freya was manipulated by Yoggsaron to created the nightmare, but we’ll have to see on that.

In a moment of clarity the keepers grant us powerful boons to defeat N’zoth.

It’s worth noting the puzzle box of yoggsaron hinted at the nightmare and dreams corruption many times describing a terrifying black forest, like that we find in the corrupted un’goro crater in the legion raid, the Emerald Nightmare.

Early datamined images of the world map showed the rootlands betewen ajkahet and Hallowfall. The gap between them in the westernmost part is a chasm where a lake used to be. There is much void corrupted fauna growing on the former lakebed and some of it blooming. The story for the lore within basically says that the black blood is ancient and always present in the earth but that it laid dormant and inert, but that the sword stab of sargeras dislodged it. I believe the bulk of it was here in this massive lake referred to as the ruptured lake, that when dislodged emptied into Ajhkahet pooling beneath Nerubar Palace. To back up this claim the roots that the harronir worship line the walls and ceiling of the collapsed lake.

There is a dragonflying glyph in the ceiling where a spiral of roots leads seemingly to nowhere. If you fly too high you get put to sleep and teleported to the bottom of the chasm safely. The debuff reads “you feel drowsy.” It is around here that we first meet orweyna when transitioning from hallowfall to azjkahet and here we first encounter a pool of the black blood in its caverns. The entrance of the coreway in Dornogol is on the westernmost part of the isle of dorn in dornogol. And the ruptured lake is even further west. And the datamined images that contained the rootlands show the zone to be even further northwest. Looking at images of the pre-sundering world and where Dornogol would have been relative to uldum, ungoro, and the well of eternity, this is consistent.

So where has titan keeper freya been? Wasn’t there to defend the dream. Wasn’t there to help ardenweald. Wasn’t there to honor amidrassil. No where. She only appears on time in dragon flight season two in an alternate timeline, in the time rift of Ulgaloth. In ulgaloth siridormi says the titan’s experiments succeeded, there is no shadow here, only order and life. And here we find Titan Keeper Freya who bares the title of “Planetary Overseer,” on an instillation identical to that where we found Eonar on Elunaria in Tomb of Sargeras, and she has a chance to drop a time warped fragment of Eonar’s staff.

Where is our Freya though?

I believe the rootlands. Freya played a key role in the creation of the emerald dream as it was ordered from the nascent dream of the world soul. And dragon flight s3’s lore item that tells us the story of Eluna’hir explains it is Eonar’s secret in connection with Elune (and probably the winter queen, because world tree seeds seem to be made of souls from the shadowlands reborn into a seed.)

We are gonna see Freya in the rootlands or this will be like the third frickin expansion I got it wrong.

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Freya should be in Ulduar with the other keepers who were against Odyn.

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She is not though. In legion all the titan keepers still alive except Ra and Freya appear in the defense of ulduar against the legion.

She doesn’t appear a single time in the game since the Ulduar raid until Dragon Flight S2 when we travel to an alternate reality and must defeat a version of her that bares the title “Planetary Overseer.” And that was the first and only time since ulduar. And that is an alternate timeline where the Titan’s had won the cosmic war essentially, not our own, not our Freya or the Azeroth we know.

In BfA when magni sends out a distress signal from the chamber of the heart nobody at Ulduar will answer the distress call. Eventually after refusing to stop, mimiron picks up the phone just to hang it up as soon as he did in a fit of annoyance–Freya does not answer this call. Ra-Den answers the call from Pandaria and travels to the chamber where he remarks with wonder that the chamber was unknown to him and that it must be Arcadeus’ work in secret.

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I think it was less they were against Odyn and more Odyn was against them. He’s the one who packed up and left remember.

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Hes also a hypocrite cause he decided to make his own after life for his titan forged afflicted by the curse of flesh. That may be benevolent? but it’s also just him playing god for his own worship and pride. Which I don’t think was what the titans would be wanting him to be doing while the old gods spring up over and over threatening to destroy the world they tasked him to protect and oversee.

I think in the last titan we’ll face the titans forces like the Old Gods had to face in the Black Empire. I hope it’s epic too like how the legion invasion devestated the world. Like titans should show up and crush our cities and scour zones of life like the forge did to uldum and just generally be devastating and over powering.

But regardless I think that we will have to face the Titan Keepers still loyal to the titans like Odyn, so we might have to face down Odyn and his armies working under the orders of the Pantheon.

When I try to imagine why would the Titans turn on us? I think about the story Eluna’hir where he got mad about the world tree and demanded it destroyed. Eonar, Elune, and Winterqueen seem to be in a trifecta of Nature dieties of their respective realms working in secret against the Titan’s. The story of Eluna’hir certainly makes it sound like Eonar is working secretly by hiding the existence of the roots from Amanthul, or hiding her soul on Elunaria rather than returning to the realm of order with her bretheren. Elune gave her the world tree seed which we know are created in a synthesis of souls and combined magic of Winterqueen and Elune. So I’m guessing Sargeras together with the Pantehon of life will help us to fight against Amanthul’s rigid order. We killed corrupted angramar and weakened/corrupted argus though with the help of Eonar, so Idk I have faith in the pantheon of life to guide us through the future conflict.

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I’ll never understand why people are so desperate to pick a fight with the titans. Seems like the laziest and least interesting use of Lawful Neutral cosmic god beings.
EDIT: Also I’m on Aman’thul’s side in that stupid Elun’Ahir story. Like every single World Tree has been a huge liability at one point or another. Honestly I’m still bewildered that the reaction to the night elves growing Amirdrassil was support instead of outrage that they’re making another one these damn things which IMMEDIATELY became a liability like all the others because Fyrakk could’ve used it to engulf Azeroth in flames.

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Loot.

But seriously, if you cannot understand why players who have been killing deities since Vanilla might look at deities as possible kills, then welcome to WoW!!

Old gods, death gods, wild gods, titan gods (Argus), loa and more. We haven’t met a pantheon without killing at minimum one member, if not every single member to be found on Azeroth.

We are very good at deicide.

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Metzen basically says their work to secure the world soul is malicious and blizzards work for a number of expansions including this one imply the titans are brutal authoritarians that do not care for mortal life. They’ve even begun to spin a narrative that Sargeras isn’t necessarily evil anymore because during the war of the ancients he saw the world soul and when it looked at him he felt the power of creation and was changed, so now it seems like the stab at the chamber of the heart to damage/destroy the manifold was intentional and not random, maybe to free her, because he was changed upon seeing her. It sort of makes sense too because in every depiction of Sargeras destroying a world it is done with a slashing motion of the sword and not a stab and he specifically stabbed the chamber of the heart which is like a nexus for the titan instillations which are all connected to the manifold.

Earthern that were exposed to the world souls energies for too long without having their memories wiped became the unbound thraegar who began destroying the titan machinery and the thraegar thought to still be alive are even deeper in the earth. The stab of the sword not only disrupted the manifold but collapsed the coreway and damaged the awakening machine and its parts.

It’s very clearly where they are going. I don’t know necessarily that we have to fight to kill them and perhaps the titans can be reasoned with. It does seem as though Eonar may be a double agent as a part of the greater pantheon of life that has a member present in at least Order, Life, (formerly) Spirit, and Death.

Left untampered the world trees provide only benefits to mortals and Amadrassil is the means by which the dragons got their aspect powers back, now bound to the world soul rather than the titans.

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I think that come The Last Titan, we’ll be seeing a full on split in the Titan pantheon. Aman’thul will be the main antagonist, with his absolute order, and we’ll be on the side of Eonar, who is empathetic to mortals like us.

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Yea pretty much. The pantheon of life (Eonar, Elune, Winterqueen, Loa/Wildgods) will side with us as mortals are sort of their children.

Given that they’re sneakily suggesting Sargeras might not be totally evil he probably would side with Eonar. Even if sargeras is totally evil he’d prolly side with whichever will lead to his freedom sooner, so probably Eonar since Aman’thul would never allow that to happen. Sargeras killed aman’thul once he probably can do it again. In fact, can we place bets on how we defeat aman’thul? We free sargeras and he smacks aman’thul.

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I say it a lot, but modern Blizz = deconstructionism. In-game hierarchies are going to become analogs for Blizzard’s disgraced old guard. In this case? Eonar is going to be the good one, Aman’thul is going to be the stuffy old patriarch.

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How can you explain that? She was not in Ulduar during Legion, we would have seen her there when we came to the place during Legion.

I dont get how some peoples can go and say “I explain” as if it was fact…

I will keep that one on the side and i will surely come back at your thread to say it was wrong.

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And why would this be a bad thing?

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Tired, one-note, and flies in the face of Titan portrayal up until modern hands seized control of the narrative.

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I am tired of seeing this false claim of “the titans were good guys before!!! the modern narrative took them and made them bad”

ALGALON EXIST!!

Chronnicles? Hello? The titans are Ordering stuff, and in Legion it was aloso said in Interview that the titans did bad things by orodering worlds without asking them.

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I shall gladly deconstruct a pantheon of titans for a pretty hunter transmog.

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Clearly, killing off Ysera, Malygos, Illidan, Kael’thas, Vashj, etc…because “tHeY ArE cOrRuPted” is not destructionism?

Please…

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Titans were not depicted as nefarious until recently. They were cold and logical at worst, but overall shown to foster life where they could. Algalon shows that they weighed the possibility of a World Soul becoming Void corrupted as a grave enough threat to necessitate Origination. No more, no less.

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They are not even depicted as nefarious right now you know? They are depicted like always were depicted, creating robots.

Also, by the wa, the story of the Troggs, that is being told since vanilla which is entirely a titan failure of playing God is completly in the same line.

And modern story tells you that : If free will get in the way of their goal, then they will proceds to wipe out said free will…no more, no less… i dont see in what way this is more nefarious than before. Its still cold logic.

Same way with the troggs, they did not care about the creation they made, they failed, saw it as a threat in their cold logic, just the same way they see the earthen that listen to azeroth as a threat in same cold logic.

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I’ll deconstruct every pantheon in this game and others if I get playable Necromancer/Lich out of the deal.

Correct, none of that has anything to do with deconstructionism.

Subjugating the emergent free wills of entities because they won’t do what you want them to is pretty nefarious, especially with the increasingly blatant telegraphing that what Titans do to World Souls is probably a vile act in and of itself.

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