Over nerfing/Buffing is done on PURPOSE

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I read a lot of people begging for explanations as to why their class was good then all of a sudden unplayable in arena like BM hunters currently and what they just did to frost mages. They went from really OP to really bad. There is No in-between.

Its a strategy that has been going on for quite some time. Activision is known for milking their player base and they do it well.

Everyone jumps on the OP FOTM train for the most part. You spend a lot of time gearing said class/spec. They let people complain and cry about how OP that spec is. The spec continues to dominate, complaints completely ignored.

Fast forward to enough time has passed and all of a sudden said class/spec is nerfed… A lot of the time Over nerfed or dumpstered completely.

IT IS DONE ON PURPOSE… It is the “Hamster wheel” strat that is used in real life application. I understand that not everyone is FOTM. ENOUGH PLAYERS re roll and regear FOTM to keep the wheel turning.

I realize a lot of you are pretty smart people and you already know this but good lord the amount of threads created trying to figure out whats going on is just crazy.

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Could be!!! I think they make changes without thinking tbh. Like if a certain ability is overpowered, instead of nerfing it by like 10-20% and seeing what happens we’ll get changes like resource cost doubled, damage decreased by 50%.

So the balance completely shifts the other way abd it’s not fun to play a character that has been nerfed a bunch of times. The tool tips are garbage too because people have no idea what’s been nerfed and what hasn’t. The 60% nerfs to Azerite traits are a good example of poorly done nerfs.

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Grinded for that “OP” trait? finally got it and was enjoying that OP trait?

So was everyone else of that class/spec… What happened? Oh that trait just got nerfed into the ground and now you have to spend a lot of time grinding ANOTHER trait???

You see what im saying

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All video games created to be addictive share several traits:

An end goal that is eventually replaced with another end goal, ad infinitum.

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I mean ever since the “We’d rather you just not play Demonology” Q&A comment in WoD I don’t have any doubt that this is the case

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You also have to take into count how much money that make in character boots for all the people who want to jump onto the fotm train but don’t want to level a fresh toon

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What if though… they do try and it’s just impossible to please the general gaming populous? (As well as impossible to get it 100% the first try).

What if…every time something gets nerfed, it’s always “into the ground” by some self proclamation?

What if…despite how bad something allegedly is, there’s still people who play it at the highest caliber?

What if representation doesn’t tell the whole story as many people play whatever class regardless of how they are?

What if…most people on this forum are whiny, entitled tin foil hat people?

I’d much rather assume any issues are ignorance related or just a lack of attention rather than some intentional ploy to screw over the arena forums lol.

Of course this is just hypothetical. They could be screwing you/us over. I have no idea lol.

I mean, I’m just saying, I can’t help but call some of these guys out. People claim X is the worst xpac in history only to be revered down the road or even called the best years later. People ALWAYS complain about something and gamers will ALWAYS min/max. Of course mathematically, people will seek a certain trait. It’s the best right? And if it happens to be over performing and get tuned, you’ll crunch the numbers and seek out something else. No one makes you. The old trait is probably still fine. You can’t logically say they’re trying to keep you playing that way. If they never touched traits and you all had perfect gear, you’d complain about no new gear or content lol.

There’s people who could use the worst traits in the game and play at a much higher rating than you or me. Unless you’re playing for money and are among the top .001%, stop worrying about 4% here and there. Even 50% reduction in pvp stuff…it all ends up working out. It’s never as bad as you fellas claim.

Just chill.

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Lol definitely not that.

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I agree with the op. Also let’s not forget it also encourages people to pay for character boosts which further increases revenue. At some point this becomes counter productive and by that time a new xpac will be released since everyone will have geared 120s of every class / spec. Videogames are a huge waste. A gladiator in game is typically combatant or worse when it comes to real life. And what matters more your artificial videogame life or actually living your life.

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Ok, I chuckled at [quote=“Garypal-sargeras, post:9, topic:51943, full:true”]
A gladiator in game is typically combatant or worse when it comes to real life.
[/quote]

:laughing:

Do you have backing statistics? :stuck_out_tongue:

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I’m a gladiator IRL.

Come at me.

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QFT

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I don’t know what that means :frowning:

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If they really cared about balance they would make small, incremental hotfixes of the 3-5% variety every couple weeks. A 50% nerf to anything means two things:

  1. They didn’t take enough time and care to design the thing to be even close to balanced in the first place.
  2. They don’t care about (or actively want) players having to re-grind nerfed trait gear.

If they really cared about balance they wouldn’t revamp entire spell and talent systems every expansion, starting the balance process all over again.

I don’t know if I’m quite as cynical as the OP, but I’m getting there.

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this is a poor strategy. they are losing more players than they are “gaining” by people that only like to play the broken specs.

the fotm players are also not making another sub, they are only still playing under their current sub. no extra money is gained there.

your assumption is that fotm players would unsub if some random class didn’t become broken. they would just move to the next strongest class as that is their playstyle. as long as there is a strongest spec the fotm player will play.

nerfing a non fotm players class to the ground on purpose has a higher chance of actually losing a sub.

very bad strategy, which makes me believe a company as big as blizzard would not be doing this.

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They do it on purpose to generate money for those Level buys off of the cash shop. Think about it, since the cash shop and buying level increases. We have had the worse seesaw ever of class power.

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a fotm player has many characters already as they go to the next character that is op. someone that just plays their class will not pay to boost another. they will most likely unsub until fixed.

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This Bliz ploy is already well known by most all in the community; but never hurts to refresh us with a reminder. Bliz utilizes this tactic for one reason… it’s proven effectiveness. Like it or hate it, it works and gets the results Bliz wants, so its here to stay.

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Ion stated in the last q and a that they intentionally overbuff specs sometimes when nobody is playing them. I think there’s evidence that they intentionally make some specs stronger than others from patch to patch, to create a “shifting” meta, but I think there’s also plenty of evidence that things get overlooked on a design level, which leads to specs either being unfixably good or bad.

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I am sorry guy but you’re wrong. We use this strat in real world application and marketing. People for the majority are sheep in the eyes of big companies.

Look at all the silly stuff people follow now days. Everyone jumps on these fads now days to be as cool as the next person. Its no different in gaming. Especially when you think that “OP” class will get you highly rated.

Sure, people have lots of alts. But getting gear easily and getting the “RIGHT” gear meaning the good pvp traits is a different story.

Blizz has slid the diablo 3 concept into wow and nobody has realized it. Sure youre getting tons of purple loots… But you’re not using any of it. Getting the right traits you need is a big grind, check that new vender out.

People will pay to switch from horde to ally or vice versa because a big youtube guy says somethings op which has happened in recent wow history.

The hamster wheel will continued to be utilized until people stop complaining about changes and stop paying.

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