Here’s the completely well-planned (definitely not written at 3 a.m. while eating Cup Noodles) rework draft for Outlaw.
Core Philosophy
Players said Adrenaline Rush feels like a punishment treadmill.
Solution: pretend we meant that all along.
Outlaw should feel like “relentless pressure” not “slot machine with carpal tunnel.”
Proposed Changes
Adrenaline Rush
Cooldown: 2 min (was 3).
Duration: 15 sec (was 20).
Finishers refund 1 CP during AR.
Also, baseline +10% energy regen outside AR so players don’t feel like wet noodles. (Yes, this means they can do damage when AR falls off. I realize this is controversial.)
Roll the Bones
Default buff: +15% damage, +10% crit.
New Talent: “Loaded Dice” lets degenerates keep gambling for extra effects.
If community asks, we’ll just say: “We want to preserve the pirate fantasy.”
Sinister Strike
Always 2 CP.
Extra strike = bonus damage only.
No more CP lottery — wrists rejoice.
Between the Eyes
Always crits.
Removed the awkward crit-damage steroid.
Added passive “Headshot” (+10% crit finisher damage) so people still feel special.
New Passive: Opportunist
If boss makes you run away for >5 sec, your next finisher reduces AR cooldown by 10 sec.
Basically: “Sorry mechanics ruined your uptime.”
Marketing Spin
“We heard your feedback.”
“We’re excited to return Outlaw to its fantasy of relentless swashbuckling.”
“Consistency, flow, pirate vibes.”
Avoid the phrase: “We just nerfed CDR randomly at 4 a.m.”
Let me know if this is good enough to push to PTR, or if we should panic-nerf Cloak of Shadows again instead.
—Realz"
Disclaimer: I feel the need to point out that this is satire, because the only part of this that doesn’t seem real is that some of the changes are actually good.
Good efforts here is my reply and let me know what you think.
I like the proposed AR changes. Instead of rewarding the combo points at the start you end up gaining it for doing more finishers. Basically coupled with Ruthlessness you are doing more finishers and using less CP less during AR. I like this.
Only concern I have is being able to dump energy during AR when you are doing less CP generators. But looks solid.
RTB changes I like because it streamlines the buffs to be baseline at least average, and allows people to talent into enhanced buffs if that is what they want.
Sinister Strike change I do like but I wonder how they would balance the energy usage if it always awards 2 CPs compared to Ambush. Would the energy cost of Sinister Strike go back up?
BTE changes I do like because all the crazy modifiers to it currently feels like it is too much. Not sure how that would be balanced with Crackshot.
Not actually my ideas apart from the 2min ADR tbh. I just wanted to see if chatgpt could do a better job than Realz and ChatGPT was all like “Yarr, hold my rum matey”
Well I would consider it a condensed consolidation of what many players have proposed with Outlaw. So it is really a glimpse of what the Rogue community wants and chatGPT is simply putting it together in a nice format.
Either way it is a solid starting point to make sense of Outlaw again.
Blizzards POV
ahh yes after seeing these wanted outlaw rogue community changes we are just gonna go ahead and scrap those ideas and just go ahead and make sinster strike, pistol shot, Between the eyes, ambush, and roll the bones more rng dependent thank u for u feedback and have a nice day.
this doesnt really do anything? your already at 90%+ uptime on adr, this will just make you have that easier.
i mean a more easier solution would just be “add a charge on adr”
adding on to this, adren should increase your damage based on your haste % too just to encourage actual haste scaling then what it does rn. not to mention your version would just continue to add cp overcap issues
this also feels like a do nothing change, cause rng variance isnt as big as people think it is. your just making this into another slice and dice by making it so boring
?? lets just retune some talents that got nerfed in amdrisil, like ss strike chance and energy talents. its that simple
putting a “always crit modifier” is a easy way to kill crit as a stat, outlaw doesnt need less stats to scale with. we can just remove the crit buff and add like a crit damage buff alongside the roll the bones buff.
i mean making adr a 2min cd massively helps with this already, just add another charge of adr and there you got
we dont need to reinvent the wheel for stuff thats fixable
well thats funny, cause your ai slop was drunk af when it wrote these changes
"Play Outlaw for the fantasy™, not the damage.” - Ion
But you’re not though… you’re -supposed- to be at around 90% uptime. But in most situations, you’re not.
“90%+ uptime on Adrenaline Rush” is the most Discord theorycraft without context sentence possible.
I think you’re taking this a little too seriously. This is a jab at Blizzard, not actual suggestions.
Btw, alt-posting while Raider literally prints ‘Alt of X’ on your profile is the rogue equivalent of Vanishing into a Hunter flare. Bold strategy, Cotton.
alot of people in logs have upward of 90%+ uptime on adr. if YOU cant do it then thats a YOU problem not a spec problem. granted do i think blizzard can make this easier? yes they can. by adding a second charge to adr. a point in my post youve completely and utterly skipped because you took offense of me calling your dumb ai slop post a dumb ai slop post
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you want people to take your post and your suggestions seriously but your getting mad and defensive when i am taking your suggestions seriously
ive made no attempt to hide who i am, ive already told everyone here that this character is a alt. people just seem to think you have to post as “X spec” or else they default to “you dont play the spec” when they also clearly dont play the spec themselves
So, you’re clearly talking about raiding specifically, not M+? Got it.
Quoting logs you don’t even contribute to is a bold move, btw. Maybe if you did any M+ since Shadowlands you’d understand why constant 90% AR uptime is just not a thing.
Perhaps you should spend more time applying your so called theorycrafting to the actual game instead of the forums.
I don’t understand why you think this a good suggestion, but reducing the cooldown is dumb. That’s literally lazier slop than anything AI came up with… AR is used whenever it’s off CD and you need combo points, but yeah 2 charges is goign to help so much what a big brain suggestion.
But pretty much what I’d expect from someone who previously said macroing RTB to SS was a big brain move, That’s like duct taping the break pedal to the accelerator and callign it efficiency.
I’m not sure what’s so confusing about this. Are you the sort of person who thought Robocop was supposed to be straight faced serious or something? If you can’t tell when someone is joking, that’s a you problem.
I’m pretty sure I’ve seen you denying being the same person in previous posts before…
That’s literally the opposite of what I’m saying you actual moron. Imagine ignoring the giant ‘this is satire’ disclaimer and then lecturing me on being serious. The only actual change here I think would be a good idea, is the change to AR.
this is one of many outlaw logs with 90%+ uptime of adr. or do i have to post more logs regarding keys to prove you wrong?
id becareful trying to flex logs cause frankly the only thing you contribute to them is just your lfr parses
yes because now you can keep stacking the second charge of adr and always hold one charge of adr for when boss assigns mechanics on you so you dont lose uptime. its a reasonable request. because the alternative is gutting restlessblades/uhuh in general to get adr back to the 60% uptime it had in shadowlands
you said and i qoute
when theyre really not good, like not good at all. most of them are irrelevant when more simple answers are widely available
but again, why? cause your already 90%+ uptime of adr, just give it 2 charges, you keep the skill ceiling and you have a option to keep uptime for when the boss shoots you to africa for a mechanic
its crazy you think one person is responsible for the entire class when hes one person thats apart of a team, the only person of said team who wants to open the window between devs and players to make sure the spec is designed for players who can actually push the spec to its limits in highcontent. its crazy that as soon as you people learned the name of this one person WHOSE APART OF A TEAM OF DEVS, you guys just latched on to it on a ongoing harassment campaign.
blizzard was right to close the dev and player interaction window AGAIN, because you are all so vile and bad at the game, that you have to lash out at anything in arms length.
lets keep your insane ramblings to one thread please. ive in no way shape or form implied i was in the same position as them. you just lack reading comprehension. which is a common issue in the forums among your type
Because you’d be spamming it for combo points and loaded dice instead…
Nobody suggested he sits solo in a cave with a bag of doritos and monster energy drink coding everything by himself. Put your Realz #1 fan foam finger down, this is turning into “leave Britney alone!” WoW 2025 edition.
Says the guy 3-paragraph manifestos over a joke, which clearly stated, it was a joke.
huh, thats very strange, but like i guess go to warcraftlogs, and click tomelvis? like the first guy there.
yes because outlaw is a spec that benefits from instant max combo points, even tho every button can make you go from 0 to full in 1-2 globals. especially new killing spree which is full combopoints every 30ish seconds
and again rtb variance is such a meme that it granting loaded dice wouldnt be broken
but okay lets say it is broken. who cares? i think outlaw is due to have a season where it is like enchance shammy or mage level of broken. im tried of outlaw players limiting themselves for “fairness”
everytime a rogue change happens, the only dev that was foolish enough to make himself known gets the blame with multiple threads saying he should be fired or worse.
let me get this straight, its not a joke when people agree with your ai slop. but it turns into a joke when people calls your ai slop, ai slop.
its such a joke that you had to make a completely new post showcasing how not mad your are.
