The “retuning” us outlaws received is nothing like ret got earlier this year, or like DH has got TWICE in a year.
It’s still an overly bloated spinning plates mess that STILL requires weak auras.
why has nothing been done to address this?
you wonder why newer gamers don’t play wow. i dont.
we are not the same
some other gems from the “retuning”
restless blades still references marked for death and dreadblades. those dont exist anymore.
id probably be less frustrated if any of the weak auras for between the eyes worked at all and i wasnt having to stare a buff tray with 20 different icons and try to see how much duration is left.
jc how is this still a thing in 2023. THIS is the sort of thing younger gamers laugh at and the number one reason they stay far FAR away
which wouldnt be a problem if there was an ingame way to handle that.
no other class relies on weakauras the way outlaws do.
Subterfuge 3 sec, cd dependent on stealth
rtb 30 duration - 45 sec cd
BTE 21 sec duration - 45 sec cd
AR 20 sec duration - 3 min cd
blade flurry 13 sec duration - 30 sec cd
oh and you have a talent that reduces all these CDs by how many combo pts your spending
so not only are you tracking buffs of variable lengths, your tracking CDs of variable legnths, and the remaining CD of those CDs is variable depending on your CP expenditure
id say i was surprised that made it out of testing but who are we kidding they dont test
You dont like multiple CDs needing to be perma, all at variable durations, variable cooldowns, and variable time remaining on the cooldowns based on CP spending?
oh and one of the buffs is variable in its buffs too.
You get the new SS to Ambush automatically on the bar, but if you’re using a Canister Bomb macro with SS, I don’t even think you’re receiving the feature. Need to replace that trinket ASAP.
Upperhanded Underhand or whatever kind of addresses it, but it adds Blade Flurry to manage. Basically, it’s just pop every single buff at start of pull while in stealth, Ambush first, then Ghostly, then start spamming BTE.
It’ll get way better with the new 4 piece so you can just hit RtB, you don’t need to check how many rolls you have before you press it for the most part.
All in all, I wouldn’t need WA if the prio buffs I need to watch weere just in the center of my screen, were bigger and were duration bars instead of numbers.
This would get me to stick around. I stopped playing right before season 2, came back 27 days ago to get ready for the patch, only to see they did mere basic maintenance in fixing the broken trees from DF launch. Check out those patch notes addressing multiple subtlety talents that were literally doing nothing. Since DF launch apparently. Cool. I had to drop my favorite spec in s1 just to compete, I was really hoping it would be playable and viable. While its viable, and whether that lasts remains to be seen, its still unplayable at more than a mediocre level without a 3rd party program to just alert about stuff the devs have failed hard to do.
That they are designing classes that need addons to address their weak UI is patently absurd and they should be embarrassed to still be rolling out “quality” of this caliber. But I guess theres hardly any rogues around to notice anyways, what with the gutting of our place in favor of augvokers in m+.
I’m not the type to reroll classes. I reroll games. I’ve already played this game on the class I love and would love to continue doing so. I won’t do it on a class I don’t. And if I can’t have fun doing it while waiting to be picked for that last dps spot (oh thank heavens for aoe blind, Im sure that will secure my spot), then what’s it for?
It’s not hard to manage and refresh all of it, the refreshing part is very arbitrary after the opener, you’re just refreshing. But it is very punishing if you mess up.
You need to delete from your brain that BtE is a maintenance thing anymore, it isn’t, BtE is a spender now, you DO NOT use it outside of Subterfuge. Ghostly basically replaced BtE as maintenance, just with a longer CD.
Just practice a lot on the dummy, it will become fluid and muscle memory.
Also a tip: you wanna be watching your action bar and not the WA trackers, the WA trackers are bait and only for checking SnD and RtB. The action bar lights up Ambush and lights up Pistol. Staring at the WA timers will screw you over.
Alright I’ll give it a go. I’ve been practicing and its been decent, but the reliance on WA has got to go.
This needs to be addressed before the next expansion. They made huge leaps and bounds with DF last year and the basic UI - I barely need any addons. WA for tracking basic rotational stuff though? Thats got to go. Give me an optional “high priority abilities” window thats scalable that I can choose to put things in, inside the new edit mode. Done.
I basically just use the WA as an enlarged UI for my basic stuff. I like having the energy bar enlarged in the center of my screen and brighter CP blips.
WA is just to check RtB mostly. If you do the rotation properly, SnD doesn’t really fall off anymore. Your focus is Cooldown Reduction, you want to be nailing CP spending to get Vanish/Shadowdance off CD.
My eyes are on the action bar to watch for Ambush and Pistol.
OmniCC is good because it will just put the timer directly onto your actions bars icons.
Thanks for those tips! I just WA for a few things, very simple ones, for Blade flurry, SnD, and used to be BtE, but like you said, its CD/duration is irrelevant now (and the shenanigans it’s capable of are fun as hell I won’t lie). I had big icons and thats it. For RtB I used a more robust addon that told me if the roll was terrible/weak/good/great/godly and when to reroll based on that. I can do without those honestly. SnD and Blade Flurry are what I use it for, but I suppose you just BF on cd now too huh?
Not really. I have buffs display on my enemy nameplates. Makes it insanely easy to track.
This is also why I don’t use weak auras for anything other than tracking my bm frenzy buff.
With your buffs displayed on nameplates, you don’t have the headache of tracking your buff uptime. I even have an additional addon that displays the countdown of the buff ON the button.
So I can either look in the middle of my screen at my name plates or glance down at my bar to track cds and see my uptime.
Yeah OmniCC kinda covers this, not the buff uptime, that would be cool, but the overall CD.
So you can just look at your action bar and see you’re failing at the rotation if your BF/AR isn’t coming off CD fast enough.
I think a mistake a lot of people are still making is using BtE outside of Subterfuge. I saw a lot of Youtube comments about people putting their BtE on cooldown and running out of energy.
It’s called LiteButtonAura. It works great for all dots as well. Granted, you don’t have that problem with outlaw lol.
Yea it’s hard not to press it, not going to lie.
My issue always seems to be I don’t want to waste my free ambush procs before vanishing/shadowdance. I feel like I have so many constant back to back pistol/ambush procs. So I just sit there like okay…? waiting to put this on cd lol.
LiteButtonAura, cool, thanks, definitely picking that up.
Yeah I think for me is refreshing RtB when I don’t need to. I tend to just press it off CD like everything else, which can be punishing if you had 3 buffs already.