Pretty sure the reason we saw turbo was because of not being able to play Chan on the warlock. Look at tegitry damps games vs method. The rogue farmed them.
Then look at the mirror RMP games where the rogues farms the fire mages.
C9’s main class (mage) and their other preferred class (warlock) are basically unplayable into RPS. Method NA knew this hence why we didn’t see them play their bread and butter comp WW mage or even warrior mage.
Also pika said on stream after the game. On the swing match killed kubs with like 2 seconds left on forbearance. So not a throw cause I’m pretty sure he BoP’d vendetta kidney.
Edit: After rewatching that swing. Kubsy may have had 1 global to use bubble.
MLD and Splay are very different comps, though. MLD (specifically Frost MLD) can be an absolute nightmare for a rogue with all the fears/clones/roots/snares/polys; I don’t think this comparison is representative.
Not convinced of this TBH. Not together, at least.
This could be a thing; maybe Chan was unavailable today for whatever reason? I’d still wonder about WMPal though, but maybe with Pika playing Assa lately they were less comfortable with it.
Also now wondering if they just wanted to practice Turbo since they knew they already had a seat at the table for Final Four; ran into Wealthy practicing Turbo the other night as well.
100% rogue is farming casters. Especially clothies. Why else would method na break out drake on the assassin rogue? Not cause he’s good at it. No other melee can do what rogues can do into caster cleaves.
Step will always be up for kidney goes meaning rogue has uptime when it matters most. Shaman lands one hex on the mage. Priest runs in and silences healer and warlock gets stepped kidneyed.
RPS is the mages slayers. Priest and shaman purges. Mass dispel. Mindgames on cauterize. Even look at rogue damage. Pika is doing top or near top damage in those games.
Yea shadowplay and mld are different. Both them playing Rdruid. 2x purge in a bomb + mindgames warlock doesn’t stand a chance.
Something like this happened in one of the league tournaments recently.
There was commentary that a team was losing all game was going to be out dampened (outscaled same dif) but what actually happened was they won in damp and every single commentator and expert streaming the games and commentating was wrong.
Step can be ranged, and that becomes pretty easy when the rogue is permasnared by frost.
Chanimal isn’t likely to get caught in a bomb without either trinket or wall lol
You’re looking at things too one-dimensionally. It’s extremely difficult to get a clean go against an MLD like C9’s, let alone regular, consistent clean goes for an entire match. It’s infinitely easier vs a Splay to get clean setup on lock than it is vs MLX.
I’m not saying it’s a best-case scenario for C9’s MLD, but I definitely don’t think it’s one-sided enough that they wouldn’t be willing to queue that matchup under normal circumstances.
The game is all about trading that’s for sure and C9 is a very good team. So is GG, especially when their on their main comp. also, there’s a reason why Method NA went down 0-2 trying to make RMP work. A game for first seed at that moment mind you. Because out of all the melee dps in the game currently rogue is the only one that can put that type of pressure out on casters in that matchup.
Yea yea frost mage slows but those will be there no matter what and while step can be ranged if he’s spending the whole time walking away from step he ain’t putting out any pressure of this own. On top of that mage is also 100% able to die in that match up if he isn’t careful. Shadow priest mass dispel on block if timed right could be lights out.
I’m not arguing that C9’s mage lock isn’t godlike. It is. But GG’s RPS is completely capable of killing most things. Example being the swing game. They had no Damage increase CD’s on that pally kill. And yet wiz in the mix of being train by turbo was able to land a mindgames on the pallies divine toll. Lined up so we’ll that’s the pally might have only had one global to bubble after forbearance.
I also do think that If they were gonna play caster cleave it shoulda been on game 3 but the problem is. They won game one into RPS so why not get the repeat match up. But then they lost. The swing which is indeed huge. Cause now their kinda caught. Game 4 is turbo in their map favor, which boils down to game 5 being “counter” comped.
Edit: Am not convinced Cupid is a great match up there.
Again, though, this is a wildly different comp from MLX, especially Frost MLX.
Neither is the rogue, though, and this is the premise of MLX - taking one player (or more) out of the game at any given time. That is how it wins.
We’ve seen no evidence this season so far of rogues being successful into Frost MLX, and their success into splay or RMP does not translate well.
Again, your theory as to why they picked Turbo is a possible explanation, but I’m not sold on that reasoning and IMO, the alternatives are more likely than C9 being scared to run MLX into RPS.
This, I agree with… I originally thought they just picked Turbo for the blind just because they knew what options GG was likely to play… But then they kept riding it. Definitely wasn’t as clean as their MLD gameplay would have been but that’s a pretty high standard to measure up to.
Besides method vs C9 we have Seen 0 warlock success into rogues. (Drake who I don’t think we have ever seen play rogue before?)
I understand the goal of Frost/lock. Realistically the only hard counter I can think of being godcomp which pretty sure in NA C9 is the only team playing that.
That being said most teams then are playing melee caster. Even if the rogue is unable to connect to the warlock. The mage is still a good target. Shaman harassing the warlock with kick / grounding / tremor. While the spriest is purging hots and Shields.
I’m not convinced that mage lock hard counters RPS. If anything it’s a pretty even match.
I think GG beats OTK today. OTK has been playing basically with their backs against the wall. The difference between their losses vs wins (in terms of intensity) is telling. When they win, it seems like they basically had luck on their side with a mistake at some point in the match. when they lose, it was basically them getting outplayed the whole match. GG’s experience as players against OTK as players, also plays a role.
The match I am REALLY looking forward to (in terms of tournament consequences) is obviously Method NA vs C9. I would like to C9 get a revenge win here… like, a solid 3-0 to make up for that stunning (but AMAZINGLY INTENSE) loss to GG yesterday.
You’re actually an idiot.
Ssg is the weakest team atm. I can agree there. Bad? No, not even when comparing then to the other players.
They don’t have the synergy they use to when Gor was their healer. Ticki is great, 1000xs better than I’ll ever be but he isn’t as flexible as good as Gor was or as good he was. On top of that the synergy they had was amazing.
Take past tournaments for example.
Again. Calling a team bad is wrong. Weakest team, sure. Bad, no where close
That’s because you don’t know what you’re talking about, even though you pretend you do.
GG had no problem beating C9 MLX bfa season 4, when both classes were more busted than they’re today running around with corruption and 60%+ haste.
GG forced them to comp swap, usually snutz went to WW cuz it farms Spriest.
Teams play the comp they think gives them the best chance at winning a particular match up, if they felt MLX was it they would’ve run it, but they know it wasn’t the play into rps.
