This person is mainly right. You know flavor. You play pvp and understand why we want a variety of tools in our arsenal. You understand fun. A lot of these players playing this game are bad, and have no flavor and have no idea what fun is. Thats why they should just sit there and be the result of the changes and shut up. And I dont think blizzard listens to them anyway.
They really want us to have 4 buttons and be happy. Its ridiculous. More tools to use in your toolkit is fun.
Lol no. The bloat for UH is terrible, even in BFA.
It needs to be fixed by making some abilities baseline and also taking things like UF and dark transformation off of the gcd.
The only other spec I can think of that is worse off trying to execute their dps rotation is SL arcane mage.
False, go back and read all the threads you are in talking about how to make it work.
Geez, I haven’t been on these forums for a while. Good to see I didn’t miss anything.
You 2H people just want 2H and nothing else.
You 2H people didn’t listen to me when I said just bringing back 2H will be bad.
You 2H people got what you deserved.
I for one am very excited about 2H out performing DW come SL release.
And they flooded Blizzard with “we want 2h” and even some of those people didnt care if there was a dps difference. So I really dont know what you are talking about, not to mention this thread is pointing out other specs are seeing changes and not frost. Its because people flooded the forums and twitter with “we want 2h frost”. You had a thread trying to talk about the spec? It became a 2h spec where people said that was more important.
People got what they asked for.
You also have absolutely no reason to think 2h would out perform DW. Are you the one that said they would do stuff for 2h when DK’s would be added to the Torghast testing? If so… how did that go?
Always a charmer.
I appreciated your comments on how to make 2H work though.
Sadly those are overshadowed with:
Still sounds like a getting better issue.
Yes, 2h people, on average, wanted 2h and nothing else. Its been said to me multiple times. They dont care about dps, they want the aesthetics, let other people worry about balance.
I didnt say you got what you deserved, I said they got what they asked for. They asked for the option and they got it. In case you havent noticed, the same people that were asking for 2h arent asking for it to be balanced because they arent posting anymore.
Oh, and look, maybe they should have listened to me because 2h is DoA instead of pointing at ilvl, or what I have done, or insulting others and getting themselves banned. 2h is hot garbage right now and if alpha is any indication, and what classes they are actually making changes to which were just broken classes that just didnt work, then its probably not going to get any attention. They cant just do what they did with fury, they would basically have to change the entire spec for a weapon set.
Hahaha you need to get better at Gaslighting never mind the game.
Nothing has changed since they first announced it. What is there to talk about?
Do you still believe that Frost DKs are going live as is? And there will be nothing done to balance 2H?
Because blizz is well known for their great balancing. Plus if they do put any effort on frost dk it will be making 2 hander not play like shi*** instead of fixing general core issues. Congratz on fixing frost DK with a cosmetic option.
Cosmetic option is already there with artifact weapons spec restrictions being lifted.
If Blizzard didn’t think they could balance 2H along with the rest of the spec, they would not have done it.
They couldnt balance it in like 8 years that 2 hander and dual wield were a thing.
It was a lot closer than it is now.
I would take those 8 years over the last 4 thanks.
Then move on over DK if its not for you instead of screwing a spec over a cosmetic option.
Apparently DK is for me, and having 2H back makes it more for me than ever.
Blizzard seems to think so too as they are the ones who brought it back.
If you feel the spec is ruined now, maybe it is not for you.
I will be looking forward to the class changes over the next few months.
i wouldnt hold my breath over changes but good luck.
Thanks. I am sure both of us will be happier about DK’s come launch.
The thing is, the changes needed to make 2h frost viable are easily implemented.
You could literally modify the 2h runes and they wouldn’t be imbalanced because they wouldn’t affect blood or unholy.
Same for the issue with KM procs.
So for Blizzard not to do anything is literally a matter of laziness.
Everything points to them not doing anything for it. They would seriously need to do a spec overhaul. With the specs focus on auto attacks in multiple ways, DW is going to be better.
People think “oh its easy to fix”… if thats the case why was it never fixed since wrath? The design you are seeing now, its basically Wrath, they did nothing for 2h then. MotFW was a band aid resulting in a HUGE damage buff to counteract what DW gets over 2h. 35% melee damage and 50% obliterate damage that resultedin 85% obliterate damage and that was before KM was based off of auto crits.
You have constantly said since 2h was announced that something would come for 2h, werent you the one that said DK being released to Torghast would bring 2h balance? And what happened then? You have been wrong so far and all that Blizzard has been doing is fixing broken specs. If you want to do damage then you go DW, if you want to RP and do world content you can go 2h. There is absolutely no reason that would put any effort into 2h. Its a non issue and I can point to a more significant issue going into shadowlands, the covenant system and the last tier of talents.
Just wait and see 
Nope. When we get any frost DK changes, that is when.
That is in game now, so that is not it.
Do you still think 2H will go live as is?