No. Just no new human race. The Northern Easten Kindoms can already be filled with forsaken,blood elf, forest troll, worgen and dwarf. No need for more boring favoured human there.
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The alliance abandoned the area after Sylvanas plagued it into oblivion with her booby trap, shifting its forces south into Southshore and the Arathi Highlands. The Forsaken canonically hold Tristfall Glades per Shaw in the Eastern Kingdoms book.
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Pretty much this, the only good Lordaeronian is a dead one.
That is not what I said.
Sniffs thread.
Wait, I know that smell…
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Alright. So, here’s an obstacle with that problem: you’d need to do some major work to severely change the Scarlets’ attitudes on a few things in order to make that plan work. As currently presented in their latest propaganda, the Scarlets are extremely human-supremacist, and would only be willing to feign working with the Alliance long enough to achieve their goals of retaking Lordaeron for themselves before betraying their allies. They wouldn’t genuinely accept Arator without a major change in their behavior. I wouldn’t say that it’s impossible, but it would take a lot of narrative work.
It’s probably also worth noting that the Knights of the Ebon Blade are sworn enemies of the Scarlet Crusade, for various understandable and sometimes very personal reasons. Taking major narrative steps to make the Scarlets’ less villainous might change that, but as it currently stands, any significant efforts by the Scarlets to expand their influence are likely to meet strong opposition from Acherus (unless the Ebon Blade is too preoccupied by other matters to react). That itself could provide interesting story opportunities though, so I suppose it’s a matter of personal taste and what kind of stories one wants to see in this hypothetical scenario. There’s also room for personal story development for Lillian Voss in such a scenario, so I’m not necessarily opposed. I’d actually love to see more Scarlet stuff in upcoming content because they’re some of my favorite villains and I think it could lead to some interesting stories, though I don’t think I’d go as far as wanting them to be a whole new Allied race.
Right. They’d be the “loose cannons” diplomatically for the Alliance as whole, for sure.
But that’s a pretty huge arsenal of those humans willing to give everything for their homelands and it gives the Forsaken someone to rail against, especially if they brought back that military freed from all Dreadlord influence.
Canonically the Alliance ceded Tirisfal Glades to the Forsaken, but not because they couldn’t hold it, but because priorities were different and to be honest after Lordaeron City was plagued it didn’t make sense to hold the ruins. Same goes for the greater area which is basically devastated beyond use at this point save maybe the Northeast side or far Western side.
I was thinking more along the lines of a rebuilt and repopulated Stratholme after the Scarlet and Argent Crusades blasted it and burnt it down to regular, non-blighted ground.
Then…:
Build on top of the consecrated ashes of the greatest tragedy of Prince Arthases’ tragic tale.
This can be the beginning of a rebuilt Gilneas, Lordaeron, the induction of the Scarlet Monastery into Alliance protection, the establishment of a major harbor in “then starting area of the Forsaken, now the Scarlet Harbors.”
You can then induct Andorhal, Scholomance, Stratholme, Lordaeron, Gilneas and finally Dalaran.
The Forsaken can have Naxxaramus, Whatever Undercity is, "some speculate it’s actually a functioning Necropolis, only upside down and anchored to the space below Lordaeron keep. "
So Naxxaramus would become their new capital, and have total freedom to come and go anywhere on Azeroth that the dev. team wants to take them.
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I think we’ve had enough of “new” races which are nothing more than reflavors of pre-existing ones.
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I think I’d rather they be Scarlet over whatever Caelia is, which I think is about to be crammed down Alliance’s throat.
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Nice to see the loss of Teldrassil hasn’t stopped people from trying to expand generic humanland.
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Well my idea was to suggest they take the cool path, and make Kaldorei walking tree forts and massive amounts of ents for defense around Ashenvale, Hyjal, Felwood and Darkshore and Stonetalon.
They won’t need help except support while they repopulate and make some babies.
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They’d be more than “loose cannons” if used as they currently stand without adjustment. The last we heard of them, they were planning to overthrow Anduin and replace him with Greymane just long enough to retake Lordaeron, and then kill Greymane and all his Worgen followers as well once he’d served his purpose in their plan. I don’t think that they’d actually succeed at that particular plan, but it is an insight into how they view current Alliance politics.
As for being a “pretty huge arsenal,” that really depends on how many people they’ve managed to recruit to their cause since Legion, which was the most recent incident of them taking massive casualties as far as we are aware. The original founding group was pretty small, with less than a dozen leading officers, but obviously they were successful at recruiting after that, and so the Scarlets keep on resurfacing like cockroaches after each attempt to wipe them out. They could be a tiny group of conspirators, or they could have had a massive recruitment wave since we last saw them.
As for the Forsaken, the Scarlets don’t need to join the Alliance for the Forsaken to fight them. They already consider each other bitter enemies, and the current interim leader of the Forsaken has very personal reasons to fight the Scarlets.
In regards to the Dreadlords, I wouldn’t count them out unless the Scarlets finally implement some serious anti-demon security measures.
Keep in mind that the Argents and the Scarlets hate each other as a general rule. They will occasionally tolerate each other’s presence, but they have never been allies. The Argent Dawn and Scarlet Crusade formed out of opposing factions of the old Lordaeron remnant of the Silver Hand, and while all the original Scarlet founders are dead or undead (hi Whitemane), there are still several original Argent Dawn founders alive and well in the leadership of the Argent Crusade. I think we’d be more likely to see the Argents work with the Ebon Blade than the Scarlets at this point, even with the events of Legion wedging them apart.
Wasn’t Naxxramas destroyed in Wrath? Or am I completely imagining that? In any case, Naxxramas was already at least two generations behind the latest Scourge developments in building necropoli in Wrath. Acherus is supposedly stronger than Naxxramas was, and Malykriss was meant to be superior to Acherus. If the Forsaken were to move into a flying citadel for their new home, I’d rather see them build something themselves, rather than just relying on Scourge leftovers. Personally I wouldn’t mind seeing the Forsaken take over Stratholme, as the ultimate insult to Arthas’ attempt to wipe out his own people. There aren’t any living survivors of the Purge in the Alliance, but there might be a few amongst the Forsaken.
Check out the Caverns of Time version of the Culling of Stratholme OP. Pre-Third War the place was literally almost identical to Elwynn forest and Stratholme was just Stormwind with no canals.
Gilneas and Kul Tiras they could get away with doing a bunch of weird and distinct stuff with because those kingdoms had barely been featured prior to their debuts in WoW but Lordaeron was center stage for most of WoW’s history and was long ago established as the central model for the human aesthetic that we see in Warcraft.
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It does remain kind of odd how while the rest of Lordaeron’s cities look like Stormwind, the capital city with its (now ruined) domes and spires has a completely different, more Dalaran-esque aesthetic both in WoW and back in WC3’s cinematics.
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I remember reading somewhere that Capital City’s architecture was one of the only remaining examples of Arathor architecture but I’m not sure if it’s canon.
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I’m curious if 1st War Stormwind (Kingdom of Azeroth) had the same layout as modern day Stormwind? Or was Post 2nd War Stormwind intentionally built as a replica city of Stratholme? It might seem minor but it is an interesting story detail. It makes sense if it was intentionally and purposely rebuilt in the image of a Lordaeronian city given the Retaken Kingdom was populated by Lordaeron Settlers & a project of King Terenas.
If this was actually touched on in the story more it would at least add some more intrigue to Stormwind which lacks anything of interest. I know it’s a bit of a joke that Stormwind is just a knockoff Lordaeron, but this could actually be made interesting if it was better played up ingame & the story about the Lordaeron influence on Stormwind with something as simple as the capitol’s layout. Stormwind essentially being a Lordaeronian Colony in the Southern EK isn’t necessarily a bad thing. You just have to do something with it.
The influence on Stormwind is even more funny now considering a Lordaeron Nobleman is now the Regent Lord of the Kingdom.
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With proper leadership, and a huge standing military of actual, Light-serving militias and infrastructure the Scarlets getting reabsorbed into the Alliance would be most timely.
Stormwind’s military is almost spent and Kul Tiras and the Zandalari armadas both have been annihilated by Queen Azshara. So the need for fresh troops is there.
Write something in to where some AU Mok’Nathal are being hunted to extinction and have them rejoin the Horde while utilizing ogres as NPC shocktroops.
The Alliance could use the Scarlets as their own zealotry backbone.
Arthas did have a remodeling done on the sewers now called Undercity.