Hello everyone, Jommy the [REDACTED] here
Are there any laws on orgrimmar or does common sense apply in this city?
For example, if there is a demon, could a grunt just go slash the gucko without cheking if it’s a warlock’s?.
Or if some two shining elves are fighting in the middle of the road, do the guards have the right to stop them?.
So, just that. ![:man_student:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/man_student.png?v=6" ":man_student:")
Given the combative nature of orcs, I doubt they’d intervene in a street fight or bar fight, save to prevent uninvolved parties from getting dragged in. Some grunts might tell someone to “take it to the arena” or take it outside the city, but by and large, I don’t think they’d interfere. Now, if it were outright Mak’gora, they probably could and would intervene, but not to stop it. No, instead, they’d intervene to officiate and serve as both witnesses, and keep anyone else from stopping it until it’s come to a proper resolution.
As for demons, they’d probably bully the hell out of them, if not kill them outright. And then harass the crap out of the Warlock if it turns out they were a contracted/bound demon. Warlocks tend to isolate themselves in the Cleft of Shadows with other “unwanteds” for a reason.
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Orc society is like the Klingon society from Star Trek. So their laws would be similar.
I imagine they’d only step in if…
- It looked as if it could turn into a public incident or riot.
- the fight was definitively over.
- If it was obviously going to end in death.
For demons… Yeah, that’s a massive sore spot for orcs. I don’t think they’d kill the demon outright if a warlock was near by, but definitely they would keep a close eye on it.
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Many years ago, Metzen stated that demons being in the cities was mechanics, not lore, and that it wouldn’t be normal for demons to travel through the cities.
Though in-game, we do sometimes see Imps in the cities under the control of Warlock trainers. I’d think Imps would be viewed a bit differently than most demons, given that they’re weak, subservient, and not exactly reknown for their undying loyalty to the Legion (more than a few imps have betrayed the Legion for their own ends).
While this is true, it was also… I think about four-five years ago of in-game time (which isn’t a lot of time) and… what? Nine years out of game?
There’s also been that one book (don’t ask me which) where even Varian was acknowledging the usefulness of warlocks in the Alliance military.
Either way, warlocks in town is a stupid idea… but I’d hesitate to use Metzen’s word as law here anymore. But definitely a strong guideline.
In the context of the story as presented, Warlocks who openly summoned Demons in Orgrimmar or Stormwind for that matter would get themselves in a heap of trouble, followed by a heap of hurt.
As the Devs themselves acknowledge though, this can’t be reflected in game.
That book was written by Golden. The Warlock he was acknowledging was her RP main.
And Varian going “HA HA HA DEMONS ARE OUR FRIENDS!” is just… weird.
Even imps would be an issue as they’re destructive little monsters. What Metzen said about player character warlocks applies here as well. Remember after all those imps were part of the Class training setup.
Oh, I agree with you… but it’s still canon. It’s weird but canon.
When dealing with rarely-touched lore, it’s important to remember that WoW lore doesn’t really exist in a perfect state of canon or not canon, because it’s too diverse and self-contradictory, written by too many writers who don’t communicate, and a lot of it is extremely subject to being “left behind” or over-written.
For instance:
Taunka Shaman.
They bind and control the elements forcefully. We saw this in Wrath and Cata.
Late MoP introduces the concept of Dark Shamanism.
Dark Shamanism is similar to how the Taunka do it, and it raises questions about Mages as well.
Are Taunka and Mages actually Dark Shaman? Probably not, but someday a Blizzard writer could throw it into a book that they are.
Another one.
The western Northrend Taunka tribes joined the Horde. The eastern Northrend Taunka tribes also might’ve, but were at least allied at the time of Wrath.
We’ve gotten almost no updates on Taunka in years. The only update being featuring a hostile, previously unseen tribe in Island Expeditions.
Are Taunka still in the Horde? Probably.
That said, if Metzen said demons don’t belong in cities, but Golden wanted Varian to acknowledge her OC’s doomguard, which is more canon when neither is truly reflected in-game?
Just want to raise a thought since, to me at least, we’re mostly speaking of what seems to a very pre-cata type of Ogrimmar. While most grunts would allow a simple fight, likely hack a demon in two, what about the Ogrimmar braves, bruisers, or headhunters? It’s safe to assume that most laws are traditionally orcish in nature, but what about their interpenetration by tauren, Bildgewater, and Darkspear influences?
A tauren might be more willing to break up a fight, a Darkspear I assume could go 50/50, a bruiser might just walk away as if nothing happened considering who is likely to be fighting. Similar with a demon example. Tauren might want to kill it even more, a Darkspear 50/50 (though perhaps more given recent-ish events) and a goblin would wave it off saying he isnt payed enough to deal with demons.
Overall I’d say its safe to say more common sense laws exist. No outright murder, stealing, assault, battery while more mundane laws that we think of now (jaywalking, littering) do not exist and would have little reason too. I’d also assume a more ‘eye for an eye’ type of punishment.
Taking a bit from Foucault, I’d also argue punishment is still spectacle in orcish tradition (possibly Darkspear and Forsaken too) as they have no need for the “reforming” nature of prison punishment as the Bildgewater and Blood Elves. Capital has not permeated that society and that reserve army of labor is not required. Additionally Tauren and Pandaren likely still focus on restorative and humanitarian justice within society especially with Baine’s preference for exile of execution. How much more humanitarian exile is over execution is for another day.
I think it depends on the server. I don’t know about WRA but in Moon Guard Orgrimar, if two people have a dispute they are taken to an arena and duke it out in non lethal combat the victor being seen as the person who was in the right in the dispute. Basically if you have a strong opinion be sure you are strong or skilled enough to fight for that opinion.