Does the Orc racial stack with the trinkets 2 of?
Nope sure doesn’t. Which is kinda lame making the racial pointless.
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Yea…seems like Orc racial needs to be changed to something new then.
orc racial is 20%. trinkets are 10/15
so yes it still is beneficial
What’s sad is even though Orc basically only gives you 5% stun reduction now, it’s still the best horde PvP racial because of the on use main stat. One could argue the that high mountain competes with orc but overall they’re horrible compared to human/both dwarves, and night elves. I would put gnomes on the same tier as orc even.
What do you mean “5% now?”
I thought they didn’t stack at all, so it’s basically nothing
Well hardiness is 20% stun reduction, but once you have the trinket bonus plus the crafted boots which grants you a combined 15% total Cc reduction, hardiness still gives you that extra 5% stun reduction. They don’t stack but hardiness doesn’t get erased.
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They don’t. Hardiness is just the stronger bonus and overrides the trinket bonus for stuns.
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5% more CC reduction isn’t that impressive. Can jut reroll and not have a conflicting racial with the trinket.
Bingo.
Oh no, orcs aren’t bis anymore oh no
Orcs not being bis is fine. The horde having zero s tier or a tier racials is not fine. Human/nelf/both dwarves are all much better than anything horde has. Gnome and void elf are also on par with orc and are possibly better.
They really need to do a pass on racials. Or just disable them in PvP
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So Horde is feeling what it’s been like as Alliance now for the majority of the game’s lifespan? I mean, the skill gap between Horde and Alliance players will surely make up for the supposed racial deficit. All the skilled players are Horde because Horde is the best, and not because of racials.
Call me when Darkflight and 1% crit are topping the charts.
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Alliance haven’t really had bad racials, though.
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It’s not about that. And, if it were z Alliance is dominant on the racials.
I just don’t think Orc should have a dead racial. Change it to something useful.
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Thanks for your input on how Darkflight is actually amazing. Gift of the Naaru too, huge gamechanger.
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Buff Kul’Tiran.
Stoneform, Fireblood, Escape Artist, Shadow Meld, Will to Survive, Velf proc/port/passive, etc. Horde only really has Hardiness, and I guess Goblin Jump or maybe Belf aoe dispel. Actually maybe Highmountain charge is good.
Horde had a lot of good damage racials which have been nerfed over the last decade so don’t cite stuff like Berserking like it’s some kind of game changer since they did away with snapshotting.
Darkflight would also be good if it suppressed slows and/or stacked. Right now it’s just kind of underwhelming. Crit is far more useful than it has been in the past, though, so that’s nice.
Imo the only “good” worgen class is maybe hunter because freedom.
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It’s funny how the masses couldn’t see that without a marketing exodus to let them. 
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Like, it’s good we moved away from orc to more active racials. Hardiness was entirely passive and quite dull.
Still not a fan of how much worse some races are, though.
It’s still better than actually dead racials like GOTN and Darkflight.