Hello all! My groups starting to push 9s and 10s, and I’m wondering which hero set works better for it.
Both are good imo, it can really come down to personal pref or skill, both offer different things based on what you think you need in the dungeon, I personally would pick Oracle for my tastes, This is before I rq as holy in M+ tho.
So oracle I feel is more if you like a interactive playstyle, you need to consider you prem buffs and when you can prepare them for when you need them, its got the boons of buffing PoM with PWS and your damaging spells which goes well with Divine Word: Chastise buff, it also is good for adding personal survive ability which priest always had struggled with through buffing DP or self healing increased by 30% (Serenity Related spells). Of course you also through experience get prem buff Solace which can also act as a strong defensive so Oracle really does well once you master it and the dungeons you play in.
Archon is somewhat a lot more passive in playstyle, getting Halo once a minute basically, it does have good benefits though, the 5% stam buff to yourself is the best it offers in terms of personal survival and you do also get 10% for yourself out of PI though for me I always use it when its best for DPS so that can somewhat feel meh. Archon can ease some of the high group damage situations that Hpriest currently struggles with, assuming its healing 150k thats 900k healing over the full halo, the passive from Halo is good to so it does make up for missing the Oracle damage buff in a way and it also gives you surge of light procs which is also very good.
So yeah ones more passive and offers better group healing and Oracle is more interactive and offer a more single target approach. However I didn’t touch on prem buff Piety which can technically be a amazing group heal but that can go wrong very fast leading to unintended DPS deaths and also is a pain to do leading you to use multiple cds too maximise as well which can leave you weaker in later pulls while recharging.
Of course this is my personal opinion and experience and I’m sure other priests on here can offer more tips or advice but for me once skilled in it I’d go Oracle.
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Thank you for your input =D, I’m kinda leaning Oracle because it’s what I’m used to really.
Oracle 100% feels good when you know you play it well too, its pretty flexible too, I enjoy opening with a prem insight and getting 3-4 Holy fire casts straight up which goes super well with the Gale of Shadows trinket
I’ve been playing Archon and I think it’s pretty solid for M+. It lacks the utility of Oracle, but makes up in other areas. Halo is on a flat 1 minute cd and it does respectable passive healing/damage while also feeding you Surge of Light procs. Apotheosis also lasts 3-6 seconds longer and provides a +10% healing bonus.
Overall you’re more mana efficient because you’re getting 80+ extra SoL procs a dungeon, have to Flash Heal the group less to top them off, get more Holy Words in a dungeon due the SoL procs and longer Apotheosis, and can do better damage than Oracle with Halo in situations where you need to focus more on healing than damage.
Oracle I feel is just better in some dungeons like Siege because you can double dispel people with Insight on the last boss and also in NW because the pull sizes are smaller.
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Absolutely agree, Caithyra has been a priest and on the forums for ages and I can 100% support any suggestions and feedback they post on here and is worth taking into consideration.
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Thank you so much! Is there a build you would recommend? I 've been messing around with my Archon build but just can’t get it feeling right.
2nd this. Oracle definitely feels more fun and interactive and lets you be a bit more creative with cd placements, but archon is so consistent. I started with oracle and switched a few weeks ago and never looked back. Both are worthwhile to try and play with whenever you run lower keys and you can pick the one you’re more comfortable with on a difficult one.
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So I’ve been playing around with Archon tonight and I love how it plays, but I seem to be having a lot of trouble keeping people up (which could be me, I’ve always struggled in m+ and I’ve been trying to fix it =( ). Especially once a LOT of damage goes out fast.
I understand that feeling, M+ certainly has big damage spikes through 8-10 and it feels worse depending on the Xal affix of the week. try to shift your perspective on what halo is, ultimately if you are my heal style of light weaver and Divine Image you are still a whack-a-mole healer, halo isn’t gonna be the saving grace of high group damage but it can heal curve that single target healing when used right and you will defs feel stronger as you adjust to dungeons more trust me, eventually you’ll almost have a mental schedule of when to use Halo and it really makes thing alot smoother because you are supplementing your single target heal style (if you are doing what I run). One other thing is try not to judge yourself to harshly, theres alot of damage going out atm and the dps need to be able to use defensives, pots and health stones if you get htat luxury, the change to kicks and interupts has not helped either. Im not sure what you gear is at but get that crit to 20%+ and haste up, with 25% crit you flash and heal will crit 40% of the time, just give yourself sometime and credit and you’ll improve, as I said TWW has been rough for healing so pat on all our backs for wanting to do our best.
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Thank you so so much <3
One last question! Which website would you recommend finding builds from? WoWhead or Icyveins? I saw the Priest Discord suggests Icyveins but I’ve always been told not to go there for builds, so I’m not sure if that’s true or if it really is a good place to look.
They are okay, they are mostly target towards maximum output/numbers in a perfect world so sometimes the items and builds appear very… weird. TO be honest 2 weeks ago I just started looking at Murlock IO, though theres no guides there you can view some of the top M+ ranked players, the gear and talents they use.
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This is the build I was looking at (Tweaked it a bit and considering taking angelic bulwark)
Voidweaver, good luck with holy. Oracle of you want to make holy work tho.some dungeons the higher you do, like DB mini boss and second boas, last boss of mists, shamorak in sv, holy lacks the AOE throughput to pass those mechanics in pugs who don’t use pots/defensives.
Yea…I was thinking of just learning Disc
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It’s probably the easiest healer if you have healer experience. Just zug mobs and mouse over the party sometimes. Can’t dispell most stuff or interupt anyway, just zug.
I play both Disc and Holy and they’re complete apples to oranges in regards to how they play.
Disc plays like a dps class because 90% of the time all you’re casting is dps spells. The primary thing you’re managing is atonement, which you mainly apply to the group with Power Word Radiance, and you have to keep refreshing it every 15s. You can manually apply applications with PWS, Renew, and Flash Heal. If it’s just the tank taking damage you just refresh PWS basically on cd.
As long as the groups not taking crazy amounts of damage you can cruise control through the dungeons because atonement does most of your work for you. People you manually Flash Heal as Holy just get topped off for free.
Disc just lacks the tools when situations get out of hand and struggles the most on fights where you need to move around. Despite the flaws it’s still a great heal spec.
Holy in comparison is just a completely different beast. Compared to previous expansions it’s very cooldown dependent in M+ and you have 3-5 healing cooldowns to rotate through in order to heal through boss/trash mechanics. Your single target heals are much-much beefier and a couple of Flash Heals and Serenity’s can top the group off fast.
Holy has more tools to handle the chaotic situations, but is much weaker in regards to passive AOE healing compared to Disc. The addition of Archon’s Halo helped a lot and it combo’s well with the Coagulated Blood trinket.
Holy is just harder to master at the high end because you need to learn the art of weaving dps spells between heals, when and where to use your healing cooldowns, and also what tool is best for what situation…
Overall both specs feel good in M+, but Disc starts getting much more value in higher keys starting at +12 and higher due to its damage reduction capabilities, and higher damage output.
What does your damage output look like in disc and holy for an 11 ?
I got 2 weeks of logs to upload so I guess I’ll let you know after. I swap Holy/Disc depending on my mood and if I want to change things up.
I haven’t been pushing +12s because I’m grinding up another char to do that. Got my Prot Paly from 600 to 624 in 2 weeks and almost got all timed +11s on that char.
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My Disc avg is 350k and Archon Holy is 250k dps.
This is with Sustained Prophecy instead of the extra +30% Halo damage so in theory I could probably do 50k more as Holy.
Archon Holy needs a dps buff if anything.
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