I thought it might be helpful to start a thread that identifies the “current” best choice hero talent tree for each spec in terms of pvp. Perhaps providing some detail as to why it’s the best, and for which specific content you feel its best for (2s, 3s, RSS, blitz) would be helpful as well.
Please feel free to add your thoughts and comments!
for evoker is scalecommander for all the pvp content unless you are with a frost dk then flameshaper
I’m not a R1 or Glad. So keep that in mind, but from my experience thus far for arms and what I’m entering start of season. Slayer is my preference.
TLDR: view my talents.
Run full bleeds. NOT spear. Run all buffed MS talents. Do not invest into any execute builds! Execute is not performing right now for arms, for fury it’s better though. I don’t know why but I have seen some fury wars pulling off some higher executes. Most games as arms you will need the extra rage talents. I am running a couple for extra rage regen. Cut some slams out of your rotation we don’t have enough rage. Instead, get in the habit of whirlwind or cleave vs stealthies who try to re-stealth. TC is optional, I know players like it for ease of use but I don’t run TC normally. I think that talent can be better spent elsewhere than double dipping rend. Keep sweeping up all the time. I’m actually also running the extra uptime talent on sweeping as well. The reduced CD on roar is not required, think of it as optional. I usually do not run 45 second roar. Sometimes I do. Wrecking throw damage is very underwhelming, i’ve tried it on some comps, not recommended. Sidearm and honed reflexes can be interchanged. Some games the charge with freedom (hero talent) is preferred, but usually just the reduced CD on charge one. I only use it if I’m going to get kited all game. Remember you have freedom as arms too so run the reduced CD on rally some matches. Banner is still useful vs RMP or super setup comps. Fatality is not that great right now, don’t run it. I use candelaura BS a lot with the current kiting classes, especially frost mages, so use a cancelaura BS macro if you don’t have one yet, it comes in handy when trying to stay on target. Also get out of the Avatar/Roar macro, save your Avatar for freedom use. People will disagree, but sharpen blade is not required every game, sometimes you need extra utility so don’t be afraid to replace that PVP talent on “rare” occasion, same goes for storm of destruction talent. I think the opportunist hero talent and MS talent is both okay. But since I’m not running a lot of crit 11-12%. I prefer the buffed OP instead of MS because the MS talent in the hero tree synergies with crit more. I feel like you will get more use/procs off of tactitian.
Keep rend up, keep deep wounds rolling on 2+ targets all game, dragon roar optimally when it will hit at least 2+ targets. Get CS out before MS Spam. Prioritize re-applying rend before slamming.overpower cannot be parried or dodged, and OP is doing good damage, use it when MS is on CD. Stacking haste/mastery only, no crit. Obviously versa from gear. Smash stuff and have fun!
Typed this on my phone sorry for any misspelled words. I think last I played my talents were normal, unless I was trying something different I will edit to fix later.
Bajheera is a warrior I learned a lot from in the past, even though he is a fury main. Watching his gameplay in arena can help show you stuff you may have never noticed or thought of before. So if new to warrior go check out his videos. You don’t have to follow his builds all the way if you don’t want to but it’s definitely a good starting point if you want to adjust from.
Survival - Sentinel is better for everything except maybe double dps 2s atm. Packleader just doesn’t put out numbers, though that looks to change with the patch that’s on ptr.
Ele
Arena- Farseer
BgB - Stormbringer, lightning lends itself to better aoe, less cd reliant, cdr and bursty with crits. Just cast reliant on a vital school
shadow - archon in all content except low m+ keys.
And Slayer is the way to go for arms?
yes arms go to is slayer. maybe in coordinated 3s with set up you can play colossus
Warrior (arms & fury) slayer
Ret: templar and herald both good; templar currently “better” but may be due ton a bug.
Dk: riders, no question
Dh: aldrachi reaver (double glimpse nutty and you passively donthe aldrachi rotation in pvp)
Enh shaman: totemic, but it’s clunkier than stormbringer
Ele: farseer
Boomy: never ever ever elune’s chosen holy moly that’s unplayable
Feral: wildstalker
Mage:frostfire unless you’re arcane then it’s sunreaver
Spriest: archon always
Unsure on a lot of the other specs because they’re getting some big reworks.
I prefer slayer right now. Although if you prefer colossus you can play it, just keep in mind that your demolish won’t always hit. With slayer it’s just more reliable and feels much smoother.
Real chadrriors play Col.
Slayer for wimps.
For Warlocks after the stealth nerf blizzard did the other day to hell caller they basically gutted that hero tree. For affy its hands down soul harvester now. Which is basically a better version of destro and has way more burst. Demo doesn’t seem good at all so that’s outta the picture.
Does this account for sentinel owl being really easy to get out of? Seems like its so unreliable.
Where are you getting that dh is still ar ? It seems bugged on live (low dmg). I Get trenacetate, mvqdh and trill ran AR on beta. But as far i can tell they all stopped playing dh a while ago and didnt try the update FS builds.
Genuine ask no flame, like in your r1 circles thats what the dhs are doing for tomorrow ? Or your tests ?
Fel scarred has been peforming 2x the dmg in my tests. And WAY more fun to play. So ill be sending that tomorrow. I just dont see how double glimpse but rng poopy dmg is better ? Yeah the glaive when (slowly) it procs the dmg setup is so easily stopped and shut down its hard to send the full dmg ramp.
Dh : fel scarred
Pres : chronowarden
Aff lock: soul harvester
Marksman dark ranger by quite a bit i’ve noticed
probly even more so after the redesign in .05
Frostfire frost
Frostfire fire
Sunfury Arcane
Tho spellslinger arcane is has a ton of cleave with spellfrost teaching. If your vs like zerg pet classes or in a BG. Arcane orbs go BRRRR.
Basically whenever you barrage it was 10% chance per charge to fire an orb, so at 4 stacks its 40%. Orbs hitting multiple targets give you 4 again. so you just spam barrage and orbs everywhere. Spellslinger has talent that puts splinters that proc orbs too.
This is great info, keep up the input. Healers would be great, along with rogue and monk as well!
Ya its such a short cd that it’s not a big deal to not get 100% value all the time. Plus the talent that gives 10% dmg to mongoose/bomb is pretty much better then the entire packleader tree until the patch since ptr has a 20% bomb/goose talents on packleader.
anyone playing no hero talents?