Opinion on Thrall's origin story

‘Just before the First War ended, Aedelas Blackmoore had stumbled across something astonishing. He had found a baby orc, alone and abandoned, lying in the snow next to his dead parents and some of the assassins who had killed them. Aedelas had resisted his instinct to slay the creature right then and there, instead deciding to raise the orc.’

——No matter what, the fact remains that Aedelas Blackmoore spared Thrall, and raised him up. That IS kindness, credit where credit due.


‘He named the orc “Thrall”and trained him to be a gladiator. Once Aedelas had determined that the orc would not simply be a dumb brute, he began to teach him strategy, philosophy, and the finer points of leading others into battle.He often put Thrall to the test, throwing him into fights against numerous opponents…’

——The man did not hate Thrall, otherwise he would’ve dulled his intelligence/ wasted his tallents. It’s hard to believe someone can work hard towards building something, while simultaneously wishing for that thing to fail. No, Aedelas Blackmoore never wanted Thrall dead.


‘Aedelas Blackmoore’s strategic thinking was complex, bold, yet fatally flawed from drink. He saw the imprisoned orcs as a potential army, and he intended for Thrall to become their leader——while remaining loyal to his human master, of course. Aedelas planned to upend the Alliance and rule it himself, remaking the human kingdoms in his image. But his cruelty undermined any connection he might have had with the young orc. Thrall saw him not as a surrogate father but as an arrogant, brutal master who would never let him know freedom.’

——‘Aedelas Blackmoore’s strategic thinking was complex, bold, yet fatally flawed from drink. He saw the imprisoned DELINQUENTS as a potential army, and he intended for Thrall to become their leader——while remaining loyal to his OWN FATHER, of course. Aedelas planned to upend the Alliance and rule it himself, remaking the human kingdoms in his image. But his cruelty undermined any connection he might have had with the young MAN. Thrall saw him not as a BIOLOGICAL father but as an arrogant, brutal master who would never let him know freedom.’ ——changing Thrall from a young orc to a rebellious young man, the scenario is still valid.


‘The Horde marched on Aedelas Blackmoore’s fortress, Durnholde Keep. Thrall offered to parley peacefully. Aedelas responded by executing Taretha Foxton. Enraged, Thrall and the Horde stormed the keep, and in a bloody battle, Thrall personally struck down Aedelas.’


——Had Aedelas Blackmoore (the father/teacher) not died, Thrall (the son/pupil) would not have become Messiah of the orcs. The Lordaeron internment camp system proved to be a success, with all internees graduated and a brand new kingdom in the making.

I think they couldn’t figure out whether the relationship between Blackmore and Thrall was master and slave, or an extremely dysfunctional father-son bond.

Not to mention Thrall wasn’t interned in the camps.

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Yes, I suppose the House Slaves had a better life than the Field Slaves. :roll_eyes:

Of course, teaching slaves to read was an act of love of slavemasters!

I feel like this is lost on you, but this is a parallel to Nat Turner IRL

You’re insane.

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I wouldn’t use the word kindness or even mercy to describe raising an baby to become a slave. It was beneficial to Thrall, not to die as an infant, but Blackmoore wasn’t doing it because he was a good person, he saw an opportunity for himself, either to make money or create an army to be complete the ruler.

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What’s clear is that Blakmoore was a cruel and abusive pos of a man. If he had real children, I don’t doubt they would be abused and mistreated too. Definitely not on the same level as Thrall, but significantly enough to harbor resentment.

I think the word “pet” used in the book is quite fitting. Blackmore valued Thrall as one would value a fighting dog. An occasional bone and pat on the head, but mostly cruelty otherwise.

What I’m more annoyed at, tho, is that Thrall turned out completely fine after all that. Not damaged or traumatized in the slightest. It’s a surprise he didn’t become a crazy human killer, because what, two people treated him not like garbage?
I feel like he would’ve been a lot more interesting if he mistrusted humans.

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He was trying to make his own orc army to one up the other kingdoms and rule for himself. Thrall was patient zero in accomplishing it. He didn’t hate Thrall, he was using him. Probably worse than hating him.

Blackmoore was using the Orcs as a weapon to conquer. Same as the Legion decades prior. If Thrall was anything like his father, he was destined to give the orcs their own path. Blackmoore had nothing to do with that.

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He contemplated killing the baby. Then decided it’d be better to use him as a figurehead to control the orcs so he could take over. He also made him into a gladiator slave.

He, literally, named the child slave.

Because great warriors and generals are not unintelligent. He didn’t want Thrall to fail. Because that meant he wouldn’t get his world domination thing going.

There was no kindness in Blackmoore.

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This.

/10char

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In the Star Wars Expanded Universe pre-Disney, Admiral Ackbar (the it’s a trap guy) was a personal slave to Grand Moff Tarkin. Tarkin was fairly brilliant, but cruel (he’s the guy who blew up Alderaan). He educated Ackbar, teaching him strategy, showing how he crushed the Rebellion. This gave the already-naturally-gifted Ackbar a deep understanding of military tactics.

Tarkin did not do this because he intended for Ackbar to escape, but because he believed Ackbar never would escape. As a non-human, his will was to be broken and subjugated, like Tarkin believed he had done with the Wookiees, and he chose to break Ackbar by showing him exactly why the Rebellion could not win.

Eventually, however, Ackbar did escape, and he went on to become the greatest military leader of the New Republic, in large part due to Tarkin’s education.
This was not Tarkin’s intention, however, and it does not make Tarkin any less of a monster.

Metzen was a fan of both Star Wars and Star Trek (and if you’re familiar with them, you can see their influences), and I personally suspect some inspiration was taken from this story, since Metzen was probably at least familiar with it (Thrall’s escape is actually better written than Ackbar’s tbh), though it’s probably not the first version of the story, heck, they’re both kind of similar to Moses’ story, which is 100% Thrall. I do not believe there was any authorial intent for Blackmore to be any more sympathetic than Tarkin. The characters are meant to be scorned for their hubris.

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Reads OP

Can’t tell if tongue-in-cheek or just idiotic.

:cactus:

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Op, what absolute rubbish.

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Ah yes, raising someone as a slave and to be used as a weapon with the goal of acquiring yourself more power is a good thing…

Oh course not. Thrall was to be his weapon to restore the horde under his rule so he could launch a coup and take over Lordaeron. Having Thrall dead would completely ruin that scheme.

Honestly I think a bit of both. A similar character to Blackmoore would be Shadow Weaver from the reboot She-ra series. Both characters took in a “gifted and special” orphan and raised them as a weapon so they could exploit them for their own power hungry fantasies. For Blackmoore that was Thrall and for SW that was Adora. Adora (and Catra) do see SW as their “mother” as she raised them both. The differences between the two though is that SW did (in her own twisted way) did care for Adora (season 5 goes into this and this wasn’t the first time SW hoped to manipulate a gifted child to her own benefit), while Blackmoore simply saw Thrall as a weapon.

It is also important that Thrall did give Blackmoore a chance to “earn his honor” by defeating him in a 1v1. To which Thrall bested him easily and Blackmoore being Blackmoore tried to kill Thrall with a hidden dagger. From what I gathered from reading that part in the novel, Thrall might’ve let Blackmoore live if Blackmoore didn’t try to go for the cheap shot. But since he did, Thrall killed him.

“Actually, the slave owning internment camp overseer wasn’t as bad as we thought” is not the nuanced take you think it is.

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I never understood refering to Go’el as green Jesus when the story of Moses fits much better.

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I totally agree. Moses is the closer comparison.

I wonder when the Green Jesus thing started? Perhaps it happened after WoW launched, and the Shaman Class had water walking and a self res? Or is it that the word “Jesus” is slightly more triggering to some than the word “Moses”, and people like to be controversial?

Were people calling Thrall “Green Jesus” as WC 3 was big, before WoW launched? Or did that start after the Shaman Class abilities for WoW were revealed, and then simply slapped onto Thrall?

I try to make sense out of things that don’t make sense to me.

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From what I remember the Green Jesus stuff really kicked off during Cataclysm when Thrall became a neutral character and also central to the plot. At the time faction aligned characters didn’t make a habit of becoming neutral for the plot, let alone becoming the kind of Chosen One type character that Thrall did. A lot of Alliance players didn’t like it and a lot of players in general weren’t thrilled with the power boosts he was getting. He also started taking prominence around the time of Firelands and Hyjal, which would’ve been a time when Malfurion could’ve gotten way more screen time than he did.

As far as why Jesus instead of Moses? Probably because Jesus is a more explicitly messianic figure and that was the thing people were criticizing. Moses doesn’t have the same kind of “Savior of the World” vibe that Jesus does for what I imagine is a predominately Christian-coded audience.

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That does make its own kind of sense. The “savior of the world” comparison. I guess Green Moses might have accuracy as far as his early story. But afterward, he did have that “Messiah Type” power boost going on in Cata.

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Well, we’ve had Garithos and Daelin apologists. Now, we have a Blackmoore one. I can’t really say that this was a set I wanted completed though…

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The camps are specifically said to have been the only resort they had on the table beyond killing the Orcs outright. Nor is there indication that all of them were bad, or particularly mismanaged, on the same level as Blackmoore’s… but they were still bad. Not having any other option does not make the one option left anything good.

They were not a success, they were not a good thing, they were just one step up from killing all the Orcs.

Internment camps for a specific race or group will always be bad.

It’s because of water walking. Jesus didn’t need the reagent, but Thrall does. Moses just used hydromancy.

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