Since DF I think I can count on one hand (with fingers to spare) the number of times I’ve seen a healer flamed in mythic+.
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We Are On Strike!
What? Nah, Blizzard knew you guys weren’t healing to your full potential, that’s all! They said “You know who does not have it hard enough? Healers, lets go ahead and make healing a ‘tank’ impossible!” So you should be thanking them for all the good they do for us payers, I mean players!
it seems like 95% of people on the forums are mad about it though
Yea i dont do group content so yall can leave if you want, but i know what healers do, they wait for a tank to be in group then you guys sign up, people aint missing much
Thanks for proving my point I guess.
Just like I go heal or tank for m+ and shortee queues you could also go dps / tanks for delved
Came here looking for this sort of post. Was super excited to get Tank Bran up and try to better learn and master healing, as I am normally tanking 80% / DPS 20%.
Last week it went smooth on my Disc Priest. I have the rotation down pat as I have dabbled with this toon since WOTLK, always Disc.
This week just tried a T8 and Bran is dead on the first lot of elites. Might as well try and heal a DPS.
As a Tank this game always needs more Healers! So I agree with the OP that this targeted Healers and has just stopped potentially more healers instead of the mountain of Shadow Priests! I am shelving my Priest again as its just a waste of time after the nerf. I dont play Shadow so this is a dead toon once more!
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Blizzard got tired of you all pulling for the tank so they decided you could tank it yourselves.
That’s because we are often whispered, which doesn’t show to the other party members. Just because others aren’t seeing it doesn’t mean we aren’t getting flamed.
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If people can’t see the difference between Tanks/DPS soloing the delve by using their own abilities, vs healers letting Tank-Bran solo the delve for them with only an occasional hot required, we’re not going to have any progress on this discussion.
Healers can still 100% crush 11’s with Tank-Bran, they just have to actually participate in the delve now.
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We’re actually having lots of progress on the discussion.
It’s like a parade of exhibits in this thread.
This is the point and you nailed it.
I think there’s a general negative attitude towards healers in the game.
Healers have big mana regen nerfs in PvP content, which was never considered necessary for several years and expansions until it was.
Healers have to contribute sub-par DPS to dungeons between doing their actual role to not be considered bad or lazy. Blizzard could have designed at least some optional spec tracks to be support focused and contribute damage indirectly via buffs and debuffs they manage between healing, but nope, every spec of every healing class is expected to contribute direct damage.
It’s odd that a game like Overwatch has more support for a “healbot” playstyle than World of Warcraft (which is where many people probably first played a support role in a video game). Although Overwatch 2 also pushed more support into damage dealing (probably to speed up the queues since support used to be the longest).
You’ll never have progress in the discussion because you’re being disingenuous and saying things that are nonsense.
Some things last week barely damaged Brann. Some things this week barely damage Brann.
Other things did a lot of damage to him last week and now 1-2 shot him this week.
Healers also used plenty of their own abilities and did not just cast an occasional HoT while afking unless they wanted to be there for a really long time. Now you’re going to be there for a long time even when using your abilities (unless you’re getting lucky mechasaur procs and it doesn’t bug out).
Now how fast you do a delve depends on if the only decent curios actually work or not since they’re doing most of your damage as a healer and probably half your damage as a tank.
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This is blatantly false.
I rolled lifebloom and rejuve and it caused Bran’s stacks to get capped and stay there immediately. He went from unkillable without me to unkillable AND doing a ton of damage, and all I had to do was press two buttons every 10 sec in between sips of hot cocoa. If I was feeling spicey I could press moonfire to bring something too him.
Now I have to push my DPS buttons to have similar total damage output as last week, and he will need occaisional regrowths.
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yeah and a lot of them just tracked and maximized his buffs and were pulling and burning entire rooms
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No, it’s not.
Resto druids may have stacked easier than other healers because every hot tick was apparently adding a stack and you have a fast ticking HoT, but Brann was not unkillable to everything with just a couple HoTs on him.
You also could have actually used your other abilities and done the content faster.
Your suggestion that Tanks are doing something super involved is blatantly false.
I do 11 delves much easier with less thought as a Guardian druid. Casting my defensives mindlessly every so often and stepping out of big swirlies isn’t some major expression of immense skill that healers never experience.
Add some more ranged swirlies if it means that much to you, but you don’t need to gut the pace of healer delves in the process. If healers were standing back and being safe, perhaps there aren’t enough ranged mechanics in delves?
You’re also ignoring massive glaring issues caused by the insanely overdone nerfs. Certain things 1-2 shot him now and there’s nothing you spamming regrowth will do to stop it. I can faceroll certain bosses as Guardian that Brann just can’t tank anymore. Why should I take twice as long to do a delve now on an equally geared healer compared to a tank?
He was last week. And lots of healers could do this, consecrate, mending, jade serpent statue, healing totem, etc.
Sure, but I didn’t have to, he was already a god.
It’s a good thing I didn’t say “Tanks are doing something super involved.”
Tanks and DPS clear delves by using their abilities and playing the game. Healers, last week, were not. They simply had to be present in the delve with Bran, and cast a hot every so often.
Aint nobody out here saying Blizzard hit the nail on the head with the tuning. We’re saying the nerf was very much needed. I have yet to encounter ANY abilities that 1 shot Bran, that sounds like maybe a situation for someone far below the recommended ilvl. 2 shotting Bran sounds like a job for helping him out by hard cc’ing the cast.
Which bosses can’t be killed with tank Bran as a healer with appropriate ilvl?
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This is BS.
I did 11s on every healing class in the game last week. The hardest was on a 616 prevoker that could not keep Brann alive pre-nerf spamming as hard as possible and using all my cooldowns. I had to kite frequently.
My resto druid facerolled them at 625, but I could have done that as Guardian as well, which is what I did this week.
You have no meaningful argument that it should be this easy for tanks but not healers.
I used my abilities on all my healers, the lesser geared ones had to put in a great deal more effort than tanks would have had to put in at the same item level. It’s therefor unjustifiable to nerf it specifically for healers with tank Brann when there’s already a better faster option available even pre-nerf.
As I mentioned in multiple threads, delves are now extremely inconsistent for healers with tank Brann. Some are faceroll still and he barely takes damage. Other things one shot him or do insane damage to him that you can’t outheal. IE: earthcrawl cart one shots him now or the Hyena bosses adds in Fungal shred him where other things barely move his health.
Meanwhile they all seem consistently easy still for Tanks.
Nobody was doing them anywhere close to the recommended ilvl of 658 in the first week. Why does this matter when a 603 ilvl tank can clear them in 12 minutes still? I cleared one in 15 minutes on my now 630 druid earlier today even including a dumb death and an underpin summon that took a few minutes.
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The position is not “delves shouldn’t be easier for healers.”
The position is “delves were so easy for healers last week that the player didn’t actually have to participate. this needed a nerf.”
You have no meaningful argument complaining that some specific specs of healers far below the recommended ilvl couldn’t easily dominate an 11 one week after the were opened.
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