Only Mythic raiding is valuing player's time

There is no value in achieving anything in other content than Mythic raiding.
All the effort and time you use on any other content is trashed on by content being timegated at first and then mitigated later.

This is just not game anymore this is just some content created in mythic raiding being on pedestal, where raiding is wanted to be the best content while it is not. Mythic raid is just a place to gear to go play M+, which doesn’t make the content difficult but just time consuming and testing your endurance.

When you make it so that M+ is not giving equal loot in same phase despite being more difficult content it feels like that you want to remove M+ from the game… so just do it.

Then there are these new updates rising Mythic track levels from 6 to 8.
When it should have been only to Hero gear and leave Mythic like that.
Also this change is going to only mitigate anything done in the whole season, do you even know what season means? It means a declared pattern that occurs in a time period. And if you do what you are doing this ain’t a season.

Maybe you just need to bring all the milk thieves back because the current employees are just favoring raiding with some kind of grudge or envy to trash other content instead of making raiding more appealing through gameplay.

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Someone already said the solution of M+ getting gear templates which would be awesome, then raid gear can be however raiders want it and M+ enjoyers could enjoy alts without bothering getting tier sets, whatever raid trinkets or special effects (like the helm enchant in DF s3) are good, etc.

No matter how they do it, they absolutely need to separate M+ from raid, just as they separated PvP from other gearing systems.

Would have said testing your patience… I don’t want my games success to rely on 19 other people.

Well not entirely separated I imagine, there’s still sometimes legendary weapons and trinkets I imagine might be good in PvP. Though I get the point.

I wouldn’t mind gear templates but that is same as what PvP is now, you can’t just enter to a content from another content which would be the best way to enjoy whole game and not just part of it during a season.

Patience is more mental where endurance is more describing that of in Mythic where you know its gonna take 5 times the pulls that Timmy can adapt and you are just tagging along but its exhausting to just sit without brain activity.

Ion’s vision is that everyone should aspire to mythic raid. Everything else in this game is a stepping stone to raid, a support gearing system for raid, or just practice versions of the raid. If you don’t want to raid, you’re just doing it wrong.

Wait? It’s still raid or die?
Always was.

We never left.

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It’s stubbornness. Few players want to do mythic raid due to its logistical requirements; so they give it dinars to prop it up. It’s only surprising because the reaction to this system was completely predictable.

Raiding was fun at some point. Now its just enduring others. You cannot carry few bad players like you used to which usually were those who had the social traits.
I don’t mind this “raiding first” being the case but the Raiding scenario is so bad with the ultimatums to who to go with and when to go with. That is not a gaming; that is dating.
Also I don’t mind raiding being dating but for dating you don’t need gear preferably you should be nude at that point and wouldn’t forced face cam be a thing?

OP what are you smoking?

Maybe you haven’t Mythic raided for a while that you would know.

I’ve been mythic raiding since mythic raiding was a thing.

I don’t do it nude with a forced face cam. what in the world are you going on about?

I think you’re saying mythic raiding is too difficult and you can’t carry your friends? ok well, yes. good.

while I agree it has gotten increasingly complex as the years have gone on, I don’t think it needs to be neutered so you can carry Tommy McBaddie to victory :woman_shrugging: I’m ok with there being an expectation of performance.

ChatGPT helps summarize text if it gets too hard.

probably only if you feed it coherent sentences.

Everyone SHOULD aspire to raid, that is where the focus of the game is and always has been.

True. Let’s disable all raid gear outside of raids, let Mythic have its death spiral.

You picked the correct race to post on the forums.

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Been there, done that.

I will say it (AotC with a guild all through Legion) was intense fun at the time but it burned me out on wow faster than anything I’ve ever done in the game.

Dude, mythic+ is THE gearing system for almost everyone lol. It’s unavoidable when it’s so insanely easy for its gear.

Painting wow as some raider paradise is insane.

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That is Ion’s vision though, where raiding is the final content that gets you the best.
But like I said:

Someone made M+ and it is favored over raiding and some devs are throwing tantrums bashing the other content down instead making the other better.

Disgusting behavior.