You can't balance them, they will either be too powerful or not powerful enough.
The way they interact with other classes makes them too strong in certain situations and good enough in others, nerf them and they become weak in some and good enough on the rest.
No way rogues are not going to be well represented in pvp, people create rogues having pvp in mind.
Not because they're op, but because stealth/assassin/rogue classes have been the iconic pvp class in mmorpgs.
Nerf assassination more and it wont make a difference, cripple the class like what they did to sub and everyone will move on to outlaw.
To me that's injustice, to not buff other classes and to ruin and to make you feel restricted on what to play.
Especially when rogues feel less like rogues every expansion after wod, when every patch takes something away and slowly we become more incomplete.
From a sub rogue player.
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Stop crying, all three Rogues are viable, Because trust me, I have way harder time playing agaisn't a sub then an outlaw or an other assa for the only reason that's i'm stunlock...Yeah the spec is a choice between Stunlocks or Burst...But that's what they are used for, Assa dmg is still a bit too big, yes, but they are made to deal a lot of Sustained dmg, While outlaw is (Ranged/Melee RNG wth is going on, ok got this roll, imma deal with this playing this way) And that's how the specs are made of...Would it be a better justice if Sub deal as much dmg as Assa? NO. Because Assa don't have that much control as Sub has...if sub get that buff you all ask for, it'll be useless to play any other specs...
Like I say, Maybe assa need a little nerf, again, but they are made for dmg, not to control...So please leave them alone...And look what you subs have (and I still say that should at least buff Shadowblade and evi in pvp, to make your burst more powerfull though)
Like I say, Maybe assa need a little nerf, again, but they are made for dmg, not to control...So please leave them alone...And look what you subs have (and I still say that should at least buff Shadowblade and evi in pvp, to make your burst more powerfull though)
No rogue spec will ever be balanced! They will obviously always be super op or super weak. KAPPA
10/16/2018 08:55 AMPosted by StungodxNo rogue spec will ever be balanced! They will obviously always be super op or super weak. KAPPA
That is the nature of our Glass Cannon.
Unfortunately, Blizzard only nerfs the cannon and does nothing to the glass.
10/16/2018 08:08 AMPosted by DamulusYeah the spec is a choice between Stunlocks or Burst...
Yesh but wasn't Sub fun for a month with both lockdown and insane burst?
Classic Vanilla CS-KS 100-0 in a constant parade except maybe Ret Pallies.
Nerf Ret.
*sniff
#nerfthebubble
You must be new to PvP. Rogues have had many seasons where they were relatively balanced. And for some of the seasons that they were out of control, it was entirely due to PvE gear infesting PvP (like leg daggers/vial in s11).
Just because they almost always have a place in t1 comps and are R1 viable doesn't mean that the class is overpowered in that instance.
Just because they almost always have a place in t1 comps and are R1 viable doesn't mean that the class is overpowered in that instance.
10/16/2018 08:08 AMPosted by DamulusStop crying, all three Rogues are viable, Because trust me, I have way harder time playing agaisn't a sub then an outlaw or an other assa for the only reason that's i'm stunlock...Yeah the spec is a choice between Stunlocks or Burst...But that's what they are used for, Assa dmg is still a bit too big, yes, but they are made to deal a lot of Sustained dmg, While outlaw is (Ranged/Melee RNG wth is going on, ok got this roll, imma deal with this playing this way) And that's how the specs are made of...Would it be a better justice if Sub deal as much dmg as Assa? NO. Because Assa don't have that much control as Sub has...if sub get that buff you all ask for, it'll be useless to play any other specs...
Like I say, Maybe assa need a little nerf, again, but they are made for dmg, not to control...So please leave them alone...And look what you subs have (and I still say that should at least buff Shadowblade and evi in pvp, to make your burst more powerfull though)
The burst is a joke, thier sustain is a joke, thier cc is just spamming the same type of stun and outlaw beats them in damage and ultilies. Soo no I'm not crying, just saying the truth.
10/16/2018 03:16 PMPosted by DeprivationYou must be new to PvP. Rogues have had many seasons where they were relatively balanced. And for some of the seasons that they were out of control, it was entirely due to PvE gear infesting PvP (like leg daggers/vial in s11).
Just because they almost always have a place in t1 comps and are R1 viable doesn't mean that the class is overpowered in that instance.
Not new to pvp and I have never ever seen people say "hmmm, rogues are balanced" usually they broken or they're lacking in something.
10/16/2018 02:08 PMPosted by Zaynah10/16/2018 08:08 AMPosted by DamulusYeah the spec is a choice between Stunlocks or Burst...
Yesh but wasn't Sub fun for a month with both lockdown and insane burst?
Classic Vanilla CS-KS 100-0 in a constant parade except maybe Ret Pallies.
Nerf Ret.
*sniff
You could 100-0 in cata
You could 100-0 in MoP
You could 100-0 in WOD
You could 100-0 in Legion
Oh but sub can't 100-0 in BFA?
When I say 100-0, I don't mean without trying or doing any set up. I mean getting rid of most defensive, doing a perfect rotation with your CDs and mostly critting.
10/16/2018 04:47 PMPosted by Pallies10/16/2018 08:08 AMPosted by DamulusStop crying, all three Rogues are viable, Because trust me, I have way harder time playing agaisn't a sub then an outlaw or an other assa for the only reason that's i'm stunlock...Yeah the spec is a choice between Stunlocks or Burst...But that's what they are used for, Assa dmg is still a bit too big, yes, but they are made to deal a lot of Sustained dmg, While outlaw is (Ranged/Melee RNG wth is going on, ok got this roll, imma deal with this playing this way) And that's how the specs are made of...Would it be a better justice if Sub deal as much dmg as Assa? NO. Because Assa don't have that much control as Sub has...if sub get that buff you all ask for, it'll be useless to play any other specs...
Like I say, Maybe assa need a little nerf, again, but they are made for dmg, not to control...So please leave them alone...And look what you subs have (and I still say that should at least buff Shadowblade and evi in pvp, to make your burst more powerfull though)
The burst is a joke, thier sustain is a joke, thier cc is just spamming the same type of stun and outlaw beats them in damage and ultilies. Soo no I'm not crying, just saying the truth.
Aren't you the class that has like, 3 get out of jail free cards? I mean, I got hit by Wake of Ashes for 58K in a SKIRMISH yesterday. Don't come here with this rubbish, Pally. It will only bring you grief.
10/16/2018 05:22 PMPosted by PalliesYou could 100-0 in cata
You could 100-0 in MoP
You could 100-0 in WOD
You could 100-0 in Legion
Oh but sub can't 100-0 in BFA?
The problem with this argument is that rogue wasn't the highest burst class in any of those expansions. Every class was capable of bursting 100-0 in like 7-8 seconds, and lots of them faster than that.
The difference that makes people cry about rogues is that we do it inside of a stun. (And, surprise, we basically couldn't do it outside of / without stuns.)
10/16/2018 04:47 PMPosted by Pallies10/16/2018 08:08 AMPosted by DamulusStop crying, all three Rogues are viable, Because trust me, I have way harder time playing agaisn't a sub then an outlaw or an other assa for the only reason that's i'm stunlock...Yeah the spec is a choice between Stunlocks or Burst...But that's what they are used for, Assa dmg is still a bit too big, yes, but they are made to deal a lot of Sustained dmg, While outlaw is (Ranged/Melee RNG wth is going on, ok got this roll, imma deal with this playing this way) And that's how the specs are made of...Would it be a better justice if Sub deal as much dmg as Assa? NO. Because Assa don't have that much control as Sub has...if sub get that buff you all ask for, it'll be useless to play any other specs...
Like I say, Maybe assa need a little nerf, again, but they are made for dmg, not to control...So please leave them alone...And look what you subs have (and I still say that should at least buff Shadowblade and evi in pvp, to make your burst more powerfull though)
The burst is a joke, thier sustain is a joke, thier cc is just spamming the same type of stun and outlaw beats them in damage and ultilies. Soo no I'm not crying, just saying the truth.
You're a joke, if you can't kill in sub, don't play it and stop whining that you can't play...'Cus remember, Rogue is harder then your paly :) to play a rogue, you gotta brain :3 not just facerolling on your keyboard.
To play your rogue, you gotta change your mindset. you just don't spam button to win, you gotta think...something that we don't need to do as a paly.
Don't feed trolls.
10/17/2018 10:06 AMPosted by AlttunaDon't feed trolls.
All paladins are trolls?
10/17/2018 10:21 AMPosted by Damulus10/17/2018 10:06 AMPosted by AlttunaDon't feed trolls.
All paladins are trolls?
Trolls can't even be paladins. Duh.
10/17/2018 10:37 AMPosted by Vãrick10/17/2018 10:21 AMPosted by Damulus...
All paladins are trolls?
Trolls can't even be paladins. Duh.
I feel like a paladin right now...I'm ashamed.
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The burst is a joke, thier sustain is a joke, thier cc is just spamming the same type of stun and outlaw beats them in damage and ultilies. Soo no I'm not crying, just saying the truth.
You're a joke, if you can't kill in sub, don't play it and stop whining that you can't play...'Cus remember, Rogue is harder then your paly :) to play a rogue, you gotta brain :3 not just facerolling on your keyboard.
To play your rogue, you gotta change your mindset. you just don't spam button to win, you gotta think...something that we don't need to do as a paly.
Honestly I'm not surprised with this lame comment. Sub at its current state isn't that good, class is pruned and lacking. Also good job assuming that I don't have a rogue. :)
Combat...I mean Outlaw has more CC, ultilies, burst and pressure.
Assassination has different type of CC (silence), spread pressure and great burst.
Sub has cheapshot spam with noodle evicerates, the other dps has to do the majority of the damage to secure a kill.
From a objective standpoint sub is putting the player at a disadvantage, not unusable but just it's essentially worse than the other two specs to the point where it just doesn't make sense why.
10/17/2018 07:00 AMPosted by Varick10/16/2018 05:22 PMPosted by PalliesYou could 100-0 in cata
You could 100-0 in MoP
You could 100-0 in WOD
You could 100-0 in Legion
Oh but sub can't 100-0 in BFA?
The problem with this argument is that rogue wasn't the highest burst class in any of those expansions. Every class was capable of bursting 100-0 in like 7-8 seconds, and lots of them faster than that.
The difference that makes people cry about rogues is that we do it inside of a stun. (And, surprise, we basically couldn't do it outside of / without stuns.)
Honestly that was my favorite part about rogues. To do a flawless well set up rotation with my 1 min shadow dance in a smoke/kidney to secure a kill. That felt good, spamming cheapshot feels dumb...why restealth anymore.
10/18/2018 06:52 AMPosted by Pallies...
You're a joke, if you can't kill in sub, don't play it and stop whining that you can't play...'Cus remember, Rogue is harder then your paly :) to play a rogue, you gotta brain :3 not just facerolling on your keyboard.
To play your rogue, you gotta change your mindset. you just don't spam button to win, you gotta think...something that we don't need to do as a paly.
Honestly I'm not surprised with this lame comment. Sub at its current state isn't that good, class is pruned and lacking. Also good job assuming that I don't have a rogue. :)
Combat...I mean Outlaw has more CC, ultilies, burst and pressure.
Assassination has different type of CC (silence), spread pressure and great burst.
Sub has cheapshot spam with noodle evicerates, the other dps has to do the majority of the damage to secure a kill.
From a objective standpoint sub is putting the player at a disadvantage, not unusable but just it's essentially worse than the other two specs to the point where it just doesn't make sense why.
I tried Sub for the sake of everything, and my opinion is : You just don't know how to play it, I almost never played it, I tried...Boom I own everything on my path, the only think you need is being smarter then the ones who you are facing, according to what I've seen from you, that might be your problem here...
Sub is not the spec to Shashshlingshackomgdps!!!11!Eleven. You gotta think, that's what I did, and it worked, I am sorry if you can't just play it smartly (resulting you failing at the spec), but doesn't mean that the spec is a "disavantage"...Actualy the true disavantage here is a Paly crying he can't play sub.