The damage this spec does is overtuned as is. Now not even a single piece of brainpower will be need to be contributed to performing the rotation at least somewhat correctly, leading to anyone playing this spec now able to focus solely on other things.
This doesn’t seem very fair.
It’s not fair, for the specs that only see a very marginal loss it will be a fairly good power upgrade. Any focus on damage is completely gone and you can solely set your attention on every other aspect.
no it’s not.
it’s a 2% loss if you follow the helper, because there’s no skill involved in bm for blizz to even make it a big dmg loss.
it’s a 14% dmg loss as bm. this is also purely single target
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Its flat 0.2 second GCD penalty for all specs, “blizz” didn’t manually tune any additional damage loss.
yes and that’s why the dmg loss is 14% using the one button rotation and 2% when following the assisted helper, that does not incur a gcd penalty.
thanks
You’re welcome, this will be an interesting change especially for destro lock. Reporting the smallest % loss and being able to focus on cc/curses/positioning should provide upside for most players.
I don’t think so pve dps and pvp dps aren’t really synonymous
no it won’t because a standard pve rotation doesn’t work in a pvp setting for destro
the whole point of destro is damage windows due to how easy it is to stop chaos bolts. you get kicks/stops out of the way, you cc, and you cast chaos bolt. a one button rotation does not help that.
the one button rotation doesnt “help” anyone, but melee and fake casters (ele, boomy) on paper and melee are receiving substantial damage loss so it doesnt help anyone.
A small Gcd penalty to completely drop focus on one of the biggest aspects of the game in all forms will help a lot of people. A 15% loss in damage when compared to an optimal rotation is incredibly small and a large gain for a concerning amount of the playerbase. We can agree to disagree will find out this week.
what are you even talking about, a 15% loss is actually substantially huge.
when a 5% buff can revitalize an underpowered spec, how the hell can you even suggest that 15% is small
Do you think the majority of the playerbase currently performs optimal rotations? An average parse is 35-40% less damage than a top parse. So no bud 15% is absolutely nothing for majority of the playerbase and ends up a net gain.
For what I play I ended up doing worse with the one button than without it. It is really bad to use on Rogue in pvp that was the worst class I tested it on in the ptr.
Never been so tempted to perma-quit the game as I’ll be if they don’t nerf this Harrison Burgeron nonsense into the ground. Should be a massive GCD penalty.
Mastering your rotation is a massive part of what creates a hierarchy of players. If everyone is equalized, playing will be pointless.
As 20 year veteran one button rotation is a slap to face, and pve dmg PvP dmg is same, dps is king in PvP, dps is king in pve how is a one button rotation suppose to kick stun crowd control on cd, if you dontknow how to crowd. Contol your one button rotation, trying to get your blind to play the game is epic fail in fact one button rotation probably came from the same guy who made garrison
So many actual smooth braineds coming out of the woodwork atm. You CANT USE the 1 button assist as a caster due to kicks NOR can you use it as most melee classes EVEN with the macros that help you use cds with the system.
There might be 1 or 2 classes that can use it (fury war/bm hunter) and even then your looking at a bigger gcd on ur cds and ultility spells that it will be upwards of 70% damage loss if you dont know how to 100% perfect it which you may aswell just play ur class then.
where did you get the 70% damage loss from? i think the worst was like 30% dps loss. Ive said this a few times now sorry if i said it earlier in the thread but this will be a huge upgrade for people who flail around jumping while being focused. People who land cc late or dont cc at all. People who lose track of there positioning bc they are too focused on dps. This gives them alot of extra room to think. Its def a downgrade for me but it would be wrong to think its not going to help out alot of players.
It auto casts so any caster will just get kicked 100% of the time if they are bad enough to have to use this for their rotation, similar thing for melee because it adds the extra GCD not only to the button but to all your abilities as well (Charge and other things) and doesnt kick, so half of the melee are instantly gone from using this as well.
The ONLY people who would get a benefit are classes that doesnt really rely on being in melee AND have a easily rotation which is ONLY Bm hunter and even then it probs wont be useful because have a 20% increased dr on everything is just straight not worth and it would take more learning to learn to play with it then without it.
why do you think its the only button you can use? the reason why it will make those players better is because they use less binds overall. Dont have to think about the next button and can kick whenever they so choose to. Idk why people keep bringing up cds either you can still press those as well.
You dont seem to be understanding what im saying, the numbers you saw on wowhead were PERFECTED sim dps with perfect cd management for a single mob not using any abilities, never moving and having a exact execute phase lasting for a exactly 5 minutes, as soon as you added to targets nearly every single sim went to upwards of 60%+ loss some didnt because they cleave but if you u cant cleave it would never do anything to the second target.
Arena is barely ever just straight single target with a non moving target, not even at 1400 where this is most likely the only place it COULD be an upgrade but if the person in question ever even looked up their gear on any website they probs know enough about their rotation that they would play better without the 1 button assist on.
The places where this would be better never exist except for people with DISABILITIES.
The difference between mine and your argument is you think they can pull off the rotation and everything else at the same time. I dont think they can and this will help them. If i did 20% less damage than you on the same spec but had alot more awareness of whats going on around me id have a better chance at winning than you just through proper cc. Whats holding bad players back most of the time? CC positioning and kicks.