On Twinking: Addressing Misconceptions

[Tomten-arygos (Tomten)]

The are the same queues as Horde at level 120…

Sorry, you lost me.

What are you saying?

[Jugajr-emerald-dream (Jugajr)]

Queue times are a faction dilemma, whether low or max level

edit: noob moment, thought I was in the queue time thread

[Tomten-arygos (Tomten)]

Queue times are a faction dilemma, whether low or max level

edit: noob moment, thought I was in the queue time thread

My reference was meant to be about the reason segregated queues would be longer for twinks, and why I believe that segregation would still be for the best.

I didn’t intend it to be a comment on the current system.

And yes, I play Horde, I am aware of queue times

In fact, I played BGs before battle groups when it was per server so I really know what a queue is

[Jugajr-emerald-dream (Jugajr)]

I didn’t intend it to be a comment on the current system.

Yep, I had the wrong thread I said.

[Kanajana-sargeras]

Well I have pvp’d since classic. I’ve been through the twink phase then. The audience for wow has changed as the game evolved and the map got bigger. I twinked back in the day, I know what it is like to feel OP, camp GY’s etc.

As I have stated I don’t want the game to lose twinks if that is their thing. Just not at the expense of noobs trying to learn the game and pvp, they need to come up against a fair playing field. You will never convince me it is fair, I’ve been there done it.

Respect to you though.

[Jugajr-emerald-dream (Jugajr)]

Just not at the expense of noobs trying to learn the game and pvp, they need to come up against a fair playing field.

I’m a noob… people should not be “dumbed down” to my level

[Kanajana-sargeras]

You are the biggest noob I know lol

[Afks-dunemaul (Afks)]

Do they have juice and cake too?

[Sun-shattered-hand (Sun)]

but the situation when queues are not segregated discourages new players, And without new players the game dies.

Thats your opinion. The game did not die when there was no XP in BGs, Plenty of twinks queing all the time, nor did it have a lack of players queing up to PvP because of twinks. New players see twinks, says to themselves “Wow that looks cool, i should make one of those too.” Looks like twinks add depth to a elaborate Mmorpg.

[Jugajr-emerald-dream (Jugajr)]

Yep, but common sense is strong in me. Okay here’s a perfect scenario. AB, our team is outplayed (Alliance split and defend bases fairly well) Here is my chat: https://imgur.com/a/0NwbeH5 Here is ending scoreboard: https://imgur.com/a/0jkAAly

And yes, my dmg is terrible as I was trying to keep bases. Road warriors are FAR worse than twinks (and twinks were even blamed for being on the other team LOL!)

[Kangmurloc-dark-iron]

Elemental Force is really strong, and gift speed on BOA cloak enchant is another useful option to cut down on the waddle.

[Jugajr-emerald-dream (Jugajr)]

https://imgur.com/a/ciw9Ovn Level 20+ BGs… few good ones, couple rough ones. I do believe that is more the spec than who we faced though. Did well on teams with decent players (not twinks but people who know how to wow) All in all, not a terrible experience again.

[Dabus-kaelthas]

but the situation when queues are not segregated discourages new players, And without new players the game dies.

Thats your opinion. The game did not die when there was no XP in BGs, Plenty of twinks queing all the time, nor did it have a lack of players queing up to PvP because of twinks. New players see twinks, says to themselves “Wow that looks cool, i should make one of those too.” Looks like twinks add depth to a elaborate Mmorpg.

You shut your talk piece (j/k)… battle grounds with out experience were a great way for people to compete, get it compete. Since the introduction of xp in bgs the competition might as well have been thrown out the window. You can practically afk every bg you enter, win or lose and still level a character up. No one to compete aginst there.

Why does the argument against separating xp on from xp off always end up with why make the twinks suffer longer queues? Keep in mind that back then battle groups complicated the queue times. Now there aren’t any, so twinks would have no problem coming together and getting queues to pop. Legit. The only real concern is that the twink community is so small and varied that the lack of playerbase would kill the concept (for PvP anyways). There is no reason in the current version of WoW to not have the xp on and xp off separated. It would benefit the people actually “playing” the game.

Just saying

[Kangmurloc-dark-iron]

There is no reason in the current version of WoW to not have the xp on and xp off separated.

There are actually several reasons.

[Floyln-tichondrius (Floyln)]

No one has given a reason why they should be separated besides

• bullying
• gear is too hard to keep up with
• twink players suck at 120
• twinks focus on PvP in a BG too much
• twinks are insane IRL according to the wild stories told here
• new players for some reason deserve to be babied
• the mystical 2 shot under 110

[Idun-wyrmrest-accord (Idun)]

I’m sure you’re aware that the smaller population from the separation would contribute and I’m sure they are aware that the smaller population from the loss of the (very real whether a minority or not) “ha ha I stomp noobs” jerks in the twink population would contribute to longer queues.

No, not really. There’d be more people queuing for low-level BGs knowing there weren’t twinks in them.

[Myninja-llane (Myninja)]

There’d be more people queuing for low-level BGs knowing there weren’t twinks in them.

Separating the queues only removes those that do not wish to gain experience. It does not fix the “twink” issue you guys have.

[Idun-wyrmrest-accord (Idun)]

No one has given a reason why they should be separated besides

Yes, they have. You’ve chosen to ignore it.

Twinks discourage players who have no desire to twink.

They discourage people who want to learn how to PvP for Battlegrounds.

There’s also people who prefer to level through BGs alone or nearly so.

Given that Blizzard has said that non-rated BGs are supposed to be “hop in and have fun, no pressure” instanced PvP, twinks undercut that.

The game needs new players in all areas of content. Twinks discourage new players from sticking around.

[Idun-wyrmrest-accord (Idun)]

There’d be more people queuing for low-level BGs knowing there weren’t twinks in them.

Separating the queues only removes those that do not wish to gain experience. It does not fix the “twink” issue you guys have.

If you turn off your XP, you’re in your own queue. If you’re foolish enough to keep your XP on as a twink…that’s what “Report Myninja afk, he’s a twink, doesn’t care about your win at all” is for.

And yes, it works. I’ve done it before. I’ll do it again.

[Myninja-llane (Myninja)]

Well, seems like we’re not going to have to worry about that since blizzard is continuing to balance items that need tuning. So you go right ahead and continue with your hatred for twinks but we’re not going anywhere.

Have you seen the PTR changes yet?