Edit: You should have to go to your trainer to change specs – If it’s free it doesn’t matter. And templates should be saveable. The only issue is on-the-fly spec swapping.
It crosses the line to where this wouldn’t be classic anymore. Some people like on-the-fly dual spec, some people don’t. But for a lot of people who don’t – it’s one of the major reasons they don’t play retail. It wouldn’t be good to alienate classic players by appealing to retail players. Retail players already have a game.
Reinventing how classes play, and adding skill is Classic+. But adding dual spec would be like adding flying mounts. It’s just too much of a crowning feature of retail to work here. Dual specs make the meta absolutely obnoxious. You can’t even pug without using “the proper spec”. It only encourages the toxicity retail is stricken with. Please don’t bring that here.
A good compromise would be lower respec costs, but you have to respec at the trainer.
Well a large portion of the playerbase only enjoys games when they know they are playing them efficiently. Self gimping is not an option. That’s why balance is important. If there was a class that just one shot everything, the solution isn’t to tell players to cast less frequently. The solution is to fix the class. This is why meta is important. If dual spec is available, then a meta player must use it. The meta for pugs will demand it as well. It’s a bad direction for the game.
The name of the season is “season of discovery”
Why limit people to just one spec? I plan on doing balance and would love the opportunity to have a resto os to “discover” what changes worked which ones didn’t for the spell casting side of Druid.
Otherwise people are just going to cookie cut there Bis talents/runes if they are only limited to one and not have any motive to experiment which this season is all about.
Well I would never suggest getting rid of respecs. If someone wants to swap specs, they can just go to the trainer and do so. It should be cheaper than it currently is. I’m talking about on the fly spec swapping. And I explained why that’s a bad idea in the OP.
I’m still torn. I’m a fan of dual spec and I see its drawbacks, like having people wanting you to swap specs or play specs you don’t want to play. It can be positive in being able to dps when not tanking for example mid raids, which could be mitigated by making sure every boss fight requires offtanks to tank something (slightly stale). There will still be toxicity without dual spec “why invite an inferior spec mage for dps? or a hybrid dps spec class when they can just heal instead?” There’s a lot more factors of the game design that impact this like how classic uses a lot more healers than they should be designed for, nearly 30% of the raid being healers instead of 20% which is more reasonable. This is also impacted by the variety of how capable each healing class is. I think cheap respecs is a good compromise and I’d be happy with that at phase 1. Maybe dual spec at 60 if its really in demand. I think at some point you need to find players/guild that understand you play the spec and specs you want and not just whatever is best for the raid. If you’re in a more serious and competitive guild then you’re probably not that bothered by it.
I really don’t think dual spec is severe as flying mounts. Classic wow could play just as fine if you could switch specs as easily as retail or just at inns. It’ll have some effect of course, mainly reducing/removing the minor gold sink of the economy, the min-max class spec commitment of raiding, less lvl 60s going to capital cities at their class trainers. Positives is being able to easily switch specs for PvE/PvP or different roles for doing dungeons, raids, and farming gold as healer/tank.
Well I probably should have titled it “on the fly spec swapping”, but dual spec delivers about the same meaning of the mechanic that shouldn’t be introduced.
Dual spec is literally the same system you have in classic but 1 singular addition spec. It’s really a small impact to the game, you still have to go to trainer to unlearn or make any modifications. You guys fighting it really aren’t doing anything. It’s going to happen.
I disagree. I think it has a much larger effect than you are acknowledging.
Well I’m glad you feel some optimism for what you hope for, but there’s no indication it’s going to happen. They just said what’s akin to lowering respec costs. Which is a good idea.
That’s a bit extreme of an opinion. While I am against dual spec, we know it’s coming. SO long as they require you to swap specs at a trainer, I would be fine with it. It will suck if they allow you to swap specs at will.
I think the reason this is such an issue mostly comes down to poor class design. Some classes are lucky in that they can use the same spec for raids, PvP and solo play. Then you have those of us that play a class that have to not only choose one of those areas to focus on, but be stuck performing incredibly poorly in other areas. I think if it was more balanced across the board, their wouldn’t be so much crying about this. I do agree that specs are important to character identity and that you should have to choose what areas to specialize in…but as I said, not every class has downsides to their spec.
Is there a citation for this other than their implication that they’re going to make it easier to change specs with lower respec costs?
Also, if they just have it where you have to go to the trainer to swap a spec, that’s perfectly fine. My only issue is on the fly spec swapping. So long as you have to go to the trainer to change your spec then it’s no issue.
I’d say that’s a fair point, which is why it would be fine with me to swap specs at a trainer. So long as the trainer has to be involved then it’s a great system and perfectly fine. My only issue is being able to do so right outside a dungeon. Or even between mob packs.
Duel spec is just another convenience ability added that takes the game further away from “keeping the classic feel”
If you want duel spec in vanilla then levelling 2 characters was the answer, was anoyying and inconvenient but was part of the challenge that made achieving something special
You said duel spec is one of the major reasons people don’t play retail? Give me a break, that’s a poor reason. Transmogs, cash shop where you can buy boosts, mounts, pets, daily quests, endless rep grinds were way towards the top of the list. For some, even having flying mounts and the classic world changing in cata were high on the list. I only lasted until legion when I quit at the end before BFA came out.
Duel spec I could take and/or just make talent respec cost cheap. They added it in wrath classic and I bet there’d be a riot if you were to take it away, many people enjoy it. In my opinion, if duel spec caused an effect that made people play more content in classic, I’m all for it. Being able to find groups for content is my #1 thing I want most in classic.
