Can’t believe people are still talking about the lore. Did these guys play the same Shadowlands that I played?
And the lore has been wonky for far longer than last expac too. Blizzard took a high fantasy game and crashed a spaceship full of tentacled space goats into it. Speaking of space goats, you can now be a space goat warlock! You can also be a diaper baby mechagnome that wears a full blood god transmog.
I have the Black Serpent of N’Zoth and some AOTC mounts. I think they should be added back into the game so others can get them, as long as the content is properly tuned so the difficulty remains the same. Bring back old transmog and mounts, I say.
Players cannot transmog the Warglaives. Only demon hunters who completed the Timewalking black Temple and have the warglaives achievement in the account.
Furthermore, the Warglaives are not wielded by Illidan anymore, I’m not sure if you noticed that he was resurrected without them and took other weapons after, and never asked for his weapons back.
Gorehowl was given to Garrosh but again Garrosh dropped it in MoP during the SoO.
No, he definitely did not. He was resurrected during Nighthold fight against Gul’dan and he did not get the warglaives again.
It doesn’t matter what it takes to get them. They were limited time rewards for those that acquired back then and shouldn’t be given away like that. Either you accept that or you keep seething about it.
Yes, we all did, and I think you should elaborate further if you want to make a point.
That’s illidan post resurrection in Nighthold. Point stands.
We were able to obtain and wear it even when he was still wearing gorehowl during cata and MOP. Point stands again.
See above picture I linked.
It does. You are seriously going to compare stuff that was easy to get on bc-wotlk era and was removed in content revamps with actual difficult content like gladiator mounts ? Come on man.
They added several items long gone back. It’s possible. Hence why we give our feedback on the subject which you dismiss as “seething”. Really, stop defending stuff being removed in content revamps. It’s not the same as skill based stuff that was removed.
In which way it was refuted? I pointed out numerous examples of lore weapons obtainable by players that are owned by npcs and you just put some half-baked argument then claim its “refuted”. try harder.
The above screenshot was legit illidan post-nighthold resurrection. It’s plausible he is using another pair of warglaives as well judging by the cinematic, but point is same regardless. It’s a weapon players can obtain and he was wearing it still. The “lore reasons” point makes zero sense. There’s also the fact that Xal’atath is not in the hands of the priest adventurer anymore canonically, but in-game they still have it and can use it as they will.
Says the guy that is willing to say old ZG and naxx items have the same merit as gladiator mounts.
I did a while ago and i saw his normal warglaives. Unless it was changed recently? if so, provide proof lol.
Wrong, they brought back old scholomance, T3 and icebane sets. It’s a possibility they’ll bring it back or at least something similar.
You are the one coping. Imagine saying that after evidence shows its getting reverted and they are bringing back removed content.
Troll post with absolutely worthless value, half of it consisting of nothing more than “cope harder”, did not actually refute any point and claims they won’t bring back that stuff even though they’ve been bringing back old stuff so its clearly in the tables. Try harder or go away.
Says the guy whose last post consisted of nothing but “cope harder”. Seriously, try harder. Stop wasting my and other’s time with worthless posts that don’t refute points or add anything meaningful to the topic
what else can I say to someone who can’t accept facts in their life? What can we call it? Delusional?
It was blizzard’s decision to take those items away. When they brought back Zul’gurub and zul’aman, it was their decision to keep those mounts unavailable and add new ones.
It was their decision to remove corrupted ashbringer from the game and not even add it again on Northrend Naxx for lore reasons.
Even when explained you can’t accept those, all I can tell you is: cope, and cope harder, because you’re wrong and you ignore simple facts. Acknowledging those and moving on would be the adult thing to do, but what can I expect from a delusional child that keeps going on and on… what was I thinking on trying to reason with the likes of you anyway… shame on me.
Your “facts” aren’t absolute, especially in light of them bringing older stuff back. You can say its not that likely they’ll bring back, but saying its a fact and its never coming back is nothing short of unwise confidence.
That’s funny. I say its a possibility based on the fact Ion contradicted his own words in the past AND the fact stuff is coming back like old scholomance. The fact you choose to ignore those arguments like you do makes a lot of your word meaningless. It’s borderline on delusional, and on a “i cannot accept reality or possibilities even if evidence suggests there’s a chance for it to happen”, then you accuse me of being delusional.
And they brought some back in the past and now, like T3.
They added them to BMAH. There’s a chance they will add a way to earn those back without BMAH in the future
Which was consistently contradicted with other items. I’m not saying CA will come back, i’m saying its a possibility they might consider bringing it back in some capacity.
I countered your argument and showed you examples of how its not consistently applied in terms of reasoning. For example, in Cata, they didn’t remove Gorehowl from Malchezar’s loot table in spite of being used by garrosh canonically from then on. In BFA Xal’atath came back in spite of the weapon still being in the hands of the priest and still being usable despite not making sense lore-wise.
The guy who is consistently coping by virtue of being unable to take facts about Blizzard’s and Ion’s own words and promises being contradicted earlier ,along the fact they are bringing old stuff back ,has the galls to tell me to cope. Yeah, right. How should i call you? Oh, here, you said it better:
Again, you were given facts and reasoning that leaves the possibility open in basis of what happened before, and you are denying them big time. Act like an adult, acknowledge what was told to you and move on if you think you are an adult. Otherwise, stop deluding and pretending you are one when in reality you are not.
Keep calling others what you are, surely that makes you look like an adult
It is not my facts. There are reasons for the items you wanted to not be available to you.
Mages/Priests/Locks/Druids who possess the Atiesh cannot transmog it.
We weren’t able to transmog legendaries until recent. When they added it, they didn’t allow people who possessed the warglaives to transmog it.
** Illidan indeed had the warglaives at the end of nighthold and the promotion, Blizzard since then in patch 7.2.5 added the possibility of Demon hunters getting the Warglaives of Azzinoth. https://www.wowhead.com/news/warglaives-of-azzinoth-transmog-clarifications-april-21-hotfixes-262848
Patch 7.2.5 guess what it was… Tomb of Sargeras. Remember when I said to look at Illidan in Broken Shore? He had a different Warglaive set there.
So, yeah, let’s finally take the Warglaives off here.
Well then why didn’t they remove the ability to transmog corrupted ashbringer then?
Better yet, why include the remastered corrupted ashbringer skins?
Canon and lore hasn’t mattered in this game for a while now. We’re all the chosen ones wielding artifacts, or the maw walker, or speaker of the horde/alliance.
Giving people Ashbringer won’t even matter anymore than letting people transmog legendaries. Everyone will do it for like a month and get tired of it like they did with warglaives, thunderfury, etc.
Now I rarely see any of them or the remastered ashbringer skins. Just let people have fun.
You said look again, as in implying nighthold. You should have clarified it better.
There’s also the whole Xal’atath ordeal.
Honestly, if you have nothing smart to to say besides stuff you claim as “absolute facts”, you should say nothing. You make yourself look kinda dumb by doing that.
While its very likely not coming for now, the door for those items to return IS open. They’ve consistently contradicted on past promises, with Ion himself doing it a lot of times in a row. That’s exactly why i take it with a grain of salt and believe the possibility exists, but its prob not soon. They’ve consistently brought items back as of late so i dont think it’s outside the question there’s a chance they’ll change their minds and bring this ones back or a way to earn them like T3.
As an acknowledgement to those that were able to acquire it back then.
You might want to say, with all your almighty knowledge in 2023 that it wasn’t that hard, since many people got it in the rerun of classic… but back then it wasn’t.
When Naxx was released, TBC has been already announced and people simply stopped raiding. The remaining raiders had to face Naxxramas without guides, prior knowledge, many addons and great interface features that exists today, not mention the very early and “amateur” theorycrafting for classes, the internet that existed also back then (can’t compare latency and stability exists today with that back then).
I could go on, but you either get it or not, and I honestly don’t care.
If you see someone with a corrupted ashbringer and they’re not a paladin, you shouldn’t be mad. you should be amazed to see that, because there are so few today.
That’s part of the paladin artifact.
You have been fed all the answers for your questions.
You either accept it or not.
I don’t care.
You’re the wrong part here. You’re crying for something that is not available anymore and honestly, the majority of the players can’t care less for what you think or what you want.
Those items shouldn’t be put for the likes of you to get it. It is not that because you’re new that you don’t deserve. Your spoiled child attitude makes you unworthy of the least empathy towards to your “demands”.
And i’ve consistently countered those notions. Ion’s words are to be taken with a grain of salt, which is exactly why its dumb to think this items will never be back. Ion said we wouldn’t have old gods at all in BFA, which it happened. He said Sylvanas would not repeat Garrosh’s storyline, which she did. He promised if Arthas was brought back on SL, it would be a huge and significant moment, which was a fat lie because what happened was not huge or significant at all. Also that we’d still solo stuff we could solo already going into 9.0, which was another stuff that got contradicted. Pretty sure he also said they wouldn’t bring back Tier 3 before but now they did.
The list goes on
You cared enough to make a fuss about it, and have been consistently proven wrong but you refuse to acknowledge you got it wrong.
Are you sure its not you?
At no point i did. I merely suggested they should bring it back somehow, which is not “crying”. Cope harder.
I do not care for what they think. I post my opinion and its not less valid that whatever someone else says.
“the likes of you”. Way to instantly undermine your own words lol. Because someone suggests something, you proceed to call it “whining” and “the likes of you shouldn’t get it”. Get over it.
People don’t have to agree and you can be in fact wrong. And in fact you were proven wrong in some of your answers. Accept you can be wrong and move on. Stop acting like a spoiled child. It’s okay to defend inconsistent or non-existent reasons for stuff, but stop getting mad because someone pointed out the flaws in your argument.
The only spoiled child here is you. Cope harder. I never asked for empathy, i merely suggested something and gave my reasons as to why i believe such. You are embarassing yourself at this point. Give it a rest.
Well, Arthas wasn’t brought back in fact. It was shown his fate after his death in Icecrown, his part in what happened to both Sylvanas and Uther and his fate, which was also linked with a huge and significant moment that was Anduin doing what Arthas couldn’t: resist and break the chains of the domination from the Jailer.
Well, that is your opinion, it is not a fact.
He said there were no plans back then to re-add the tier 3.
Everything you said is basically your opinion.
What Ion said is there is a reason for Corrupted Ashbrigner not being added back to Naxx secrets transmogs and also Atiesh, for obvious reasons.
Note that he said obvious. Think about it - why would he said such statement. Majority of the player base understood the reasons, now you want to find “flaws” and “inconsistencies” in their decisions to justify why your thread must be the reason for them to “oh, since Shaanda is so adamant and convincing about our flaws and inconsistencies, also pointing out that our decisions make no sense and calling us liars,we have decided to bless her with Corrupted Ashbringer and all the items we removed from the game. Our sincere apologies”
I mean. I’m being sarcastic but I have this feeling that this is how you feel exactly, because this is exactly what you’ve been trying in this thread. So hard.
Let’s see. Becomes a tyrant that gets reins of the horde and proceeds to bomb a major alliance city? Check.
Makes enemies out of their own faction, especially with a racial leader opposing them(Vol’jin, Baine)? Check
Turns both factions against them? Check.
Joins an army in another dimention that will take over azeroth or its world soul(Iron Horde, The jailer’s forces)? check
Is a irredeemable sociopath? Check
Literally the only difference is that Sylvanas got a redemption arc, one so widely despised it turned her into the single most despised wow character ever. And when she was thrown into the maw, people cheered and hoped she would never return again.
He was, as a soul that was then perma killed.
Said moment was so terribly received from most people, myself included, that it was immediately called “the sh**** moment where Arthas was done dirty and Sylvanas made it all about herself”.
He was brought back as a soul then given the biggest middle finger imaginable by the lead writer.
When the character is basically fridged(as in, killed to advance another character’s plotline at the expense of the now dead character), the “huge or significant” falls flat on its face. Arthas got basically the most insulting kind of treatment ever, especially with the “may your name be forgotten”. Nevermind he was not in charge of his evil actions since Frostmoune stole his soul(the worst he did was burn his men’s ship and blame the mercenaries who did it in order to keep them with him and destroy the undead) and was turned into a DK against his will, while Sylvanas burned teldrassil and made an alliance with the jailer out of her own free will.
When most of the playerbase refuse to account Shadowlands as canon, you know this moments are not “huge or significant”,but more like a farce.
No, not at all. I pointed out how little his words matters when they are contradicted.
Which, again, came from the same guy that promised we’d solo stuff in 9.0 we were already doing in 8.3 only for that to not be the case at all. Should be taken with a grain of salt.
They understood but found them inconsistent or didn’t agree with them. This point has a lot of people doing that.
Not at all. I merely suggested a “never say never” approach and “take with a grain of salt”. I’m merely countering your argument that Ion’s words are to be taken at face value, which is horse crap with his own track record.
I’m merely pointing out the issues with your argument and not only you refuse to be wrong in spite of the evidence provided, but you basically keep being a pain in the rear and claim im “whining”(?) and “dont deserve sympathy”(??? WHEN DID I EVER IMPLY OR SAY THAT?).
I’ve given you enough attention in terms of replies and it feels like you don’t deserve any at all, nor you deserve any kind of respect when you can’t even admit some of your arguments are wrong. I’m done. You are on ignore, and up yours for being such a utterly insufferable human being that can’t ever admit he’s done some arguments that are pretty damn wrong or inconsistent. Imagine being such a disgusting human being that reacts so hostile to being proven wrong and had the galls to call someone “whiny” when that person is anything but.
Shadowlands has been nearly universally panned as having some of the worst lore developments in the entire history of the franchise. Bizarre and ever more unbelievable retcons were shoehorned one after another into the universe:
the Dreadlords were actually created by a fashion vampire daddy from the afterlife and somehow kept completely secret from an entire zone with inhabitants who specialize in intrigue, gossip and knowing things;
the Jailer is basically Thanos and it was actually him all along who influenced the Lich King, and also he turns into a crash test dummy when he is killed;
the Stonewright is actually a Night Warrior of Elune;
all of the deaths from the Teldrassil invasion were basically undone;
Zereth Mortis made WoW not even feel like WoW anymore;
Anduin and Sylvanas went completely out of character after Sepulchre.
But it goes against the lore. You can also transmog Atiesh and Kadghar literally holds it. By your own arguement, it at best shouldn’t be deleted, but in no way transmoggable.
Also on farm in TBC. Many like killing things on easy mode. I still love doing old raids like BFA from two expansions even if I need a group.
It’s also
so please explain why it has corrupted skin options?
I still refuse to believe Sylvanas was “controlled” when she so easily defied the Jailer after Sanctum of Domination and then had the balls to rip on Arthas when he was controlled the same way…
