Guys… You’re not helping your case by attacking someone who actually agrees with you. Also it is ad hominem to point at his experience as a reason to discount what he’s saying. Sometimes the best points of view are from those who can look at the problem “outside the box.” Most of the time not, but sometimes the best are. You shouldn’t discount someones opinion simply based on their lack of experience.
Disprove it using your own experience and facts. Afterall if they’re so off base, then it should be easy to do so.
And in this case it’s pointless… as he already agree’s that it would be fine for ML to return as an option for 100% guild groups. A compromise that I’d be fine to work with.
It shouldn’t matter whether he’s in that content or not. If he’s wrong, explain why and move on. Simply saying: You don’t do X, therefore you don’t matter, will not win you any followers and will not win you any arguments.
As I said above… sometimes you can be too close to a problem to see the entire picture and it takes an outside approach to figure it out.
You are right, it’s best to just ignore the shadow alt trolls. I just wish they would force people to post on mains so these people can’t just come troll relevant topics.
Well I wouldn’t dismiss him as a troll. His first post in thread is along the lines of: I’d be fine with them bringing ML back so long as they restricted it to 100% guild groups as I had a bad experience in the past with it.
Uh…did you not pay attention to what was said by the devs when they announced this change.
That exact scenario (Trials don’t get loot cause “trials don’t”) was expressly one of the scenarios Ion talked about as being a problem. Take exception to that if you will, but this argument is not a good one.
I’d like to see a loosening of 5/10/20/etc ilvls per 1-3 weeks in the trading restrictions to make i so that warforges and titanforges later in raid cycles are more of a “yay” moment for raid guild raid groups.
Let each individual choose how they want to receive their loot. Half want personal loot? Cool, they do personal loot. The other half gets an appropriate amount of drops for the number of people that wanted ML and the personal loot crowd can’t touch that loot. Boom. Everything is fixed.
If Blizz wants to keep people around, then they should just making forging something that you work towards rather than something you win at the lottery.
Don’t think it’s that simple. Lot of high end guilds will force ML on people even if they don’t want it then. I think there’s a better solution then just flat out removing it, but I don’t think it’s that… Though my guild is personal loot so… Just works better for us.
Belonging to a guild is a voluntary arrangement. They can’t force you to use ML. You always have the choice to leave and go find a guild that suits you better if you dislike that particular loot style, when it is an option.
But we also don’t have access to the data Blizzard collects on loot distribution. We also don’t see what the GM Ticket queues look like either. Just because someone isn’t throwing a temper tantrum in the forums does not mean it isn’t a problem.
Not to mention it might have also been buried by the millions of posts about how Alliance continuing the 10 year begging for a carbon-copy of a Horde race, how it’s sooooo unfair that Blizzard makes people actually engage the content they pay to access, and other such inane things.
You’re referring to split runs, and while this may have made a dent in that practice, Blizzard already admitted there isn’t anything they can really do to stop it.
But loot has always been a “lottery”. In some cases it was worse historically because a lot of pieces were class-specific such as Tier 1 & 2. Or because of large loot tables which is why you have a much higher chance of getting the Legion version of Midnight from Attumen in Karazhan versus the BC one.
What people fail to realize is that PL actually shapes the loot drops. I’ll use Ragnaros to illustrate. Under any other loot system, Ragnaros will drop Tier 2 pants for every class. Say your raid is only rogues, hunters, warriors, and priests. Under anything but PL, you would be seeing paladin, mage, druid, shaman, etc. pants drop. Under PL, only rogue, hunter, warrior, and priest pants would drop.
So rather than getting 5 random pieces of loot off the entire table, 5 people get pieces of loot that are specific to their class/spec.
Blizzard is just trying to see how things are working and loosen the rules up a bit if needed. They’re trying to stay away from situations where people are forced to give up loot.
I totally disagree. I have read the forums regularly between doing other things in game for years. If you haven’t, you could imagine that you might have missed some threads.
If they were there, I’d have seen some of them. They weren’t.
Proposing that there was a huge number of tickets on this issue that suddenly didn’t show up as forum complaint threads after a major presence in wod is basically fishing for support for your premise, because you have none other than “I imagine it could have been a huge problem and everybody missed it”.