Ok... I admit it... Lower Kara is Drastically Overtuned

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Lol I agree. I got KSM without it. Probably won’t set foot in it again until it gets neutered in to oblivion

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My route is a bit different, but utilizes the skip.

  1. Kill Opera, 2 packs after the boss, and then Zulgamux.
  2. Force wipe down stairs.
  3. Shortcut around the balcony to the main upstairs area leading to Maiden. Kill 2 more infiltrators and every pack up there, minus Ushers.
  4. Group stays in the main room while I pull half of the Maiden trash and LOS pull them back to the group.
  5. Pull the remaining Maiden trash and LOS pull them into Maiden’s room.
  6. Kill Maiden
  7. Jump down to Moroes and clear all trash.
  8. Clear trash to Attumen
  9. Kill Attunmen - no lust
  10. Moroes with lust

Easily timed the +20 with that route and most likely before hotfix went live.

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Sounds like a good route, my only thing is I feel like Huntsman needs lust over Moroes.

But then again, my group can dodge and interrupt everything in Moroes but they cant dodge a horse :person_shrugging:t3:

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Attumen is just repetitive, but easily avoidable (I guess not for your group lol), but Moroes’ bleed even with nerf is more dangerous. Especially if someone messes up and breaks CC.

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Ah yeah, the classic Smite one shot.

“O whoops” - Our hunter after I get clapped.

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I ran my own key there today. 14 which got burnt because the tank kept pulling multiple diners with moroes. Dps left key feel apart.

Second run was a 13 and we +2 it, so much easier. Took the same pug group to the 15 gambit I got and +2d that. Now I have a 17 docks on my 275 rogue. Not sure if I’ll bump it down and try to hammer everything out at 15 or run it at 17 for giggles.

It was definitely easier than last week. The sheer damage opera was pumping out while requiring so many interrupts and orbs was staggering.

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You should run the +17 Docks. If it is a no-go at least you have a +16 to attempt.

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Bro. I’ll be the only dwarf every run and still never get garrote on me. I must be made of stone…

Edit: lots of mistakes. I’m tired

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Oh yes I can agree to that. Stoneform is an OP racial this season

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Ran the 17, now I have a 19 at 275 ilvl… Had to pass lead to a dps to even get the tank to join 17 because my io is trash lol

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Last week I ran with a pug that depleted a +17 Lower down to a +13 and still couldn’t kill Opera. Yesterday alone I ran 5 different Lower groups and we only killed Opera boss 2x, but still didn’t finish any of the 5 runs.

Lower needs significant tuning, even after all of the nerfs they’ve been doing. I have a feeling if they completely disabled the affixes other than Fort/Tyr/Shrouded, the dungeon would still be too difficult for pugs just because of the amount of trash + insane damage output of the mobs.

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All things considered, to bring it in line with the other M+ dungeons they need to increase the % trash gives you, and nerf more of the trash mob’s spells and abilities. And nerf the boss health on Opera. Opera just feels like an endurance test. I dont mind all the overlapping mechanics, but the boss health just seems so high. On Tyrannical, it feels harder than any M+ boss out there by a significant amount.

And I cant say it enough. The trash %. It just feels like you are clearing trash FOREVER in there and not making many gains. Also the best route for the dungeon is wiping after opera. I think having the best route require the whole group dying isnt a great thing.

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This is a dungeon that requires actual knowledge and competence. Most of the other ones people can skate by or get full on carried. There is nothing wrong with a challenge. After the many nerf hammers, no one should be struggling with Lower on fortified.

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Truth. Their health is insane, even on Fortified, and it’s even worse thanks to the multiple-boss nature of each Opera event.

100% this. It feels gross, and I really don’t like it.

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The best route isn’t a suicide route. That’s little Timmy’s first route because he’s scared of using invis pots.

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Downstairs after Zulgamux? Where does that hallway lead to?

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M+ should be doable with a PUG, and in its current shape it is very much not PUG-friendly. There’s challenging, and then there’s punishing. Lower Kara should be as challenging as Streets, but instead it feels like I’m trying to push my 5-man group through half of a heroic raid.

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That’s funny seeing how I pugged every one of my Upper and Lower keys. Yes, even the +20. If you don’t know the mechanics then you or anyone else shouldn’t be attempting a +15 off the bat.

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Just did my 20 lower today. was incredibly easy, could’ve two chested if we went backstage in a pug.

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