If the numbers have been consistent even when there was an official wrath server that means the thieves that play there didn’t switch to a paid server when they had the chance. Therefore the thief server numbers have no relevance to blizzard paid server numbers.
That’s not what I’m saying. I’m sure you think you do and you really do want a wrath era server. What I’m saying is you think there are more of you than there are. I’ve seen no evidence there are enough of you to make wrath era profitable.
Okay let’s try looking at this objectively
You yourself don’t have any evidences backing the opposite either, meanwhile the forums are being constantly asked for a Wrath Era realm and we have proof that Wrath realms last for long time considering the most popular private server realms are Wrath realms or use wrath client. We can debate about the numbers but to me, it seems strange to say it’s not profitable when private servers make profitable from running them.
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It’s always so funny when people bring up the success story that is OSRS. The game with 100x more changes than Classic has
We needed more, not fewer changes. We also needed a better team in command of making those changes.
The forums can only maintain this level of intensity because Mktaar is constantly necroing threads that are a month or more old. They aren’t naturally kept alive and relevant by the numbers who want wrath era. They die because there’s insufficient support to keep them alive and have to be revived by a single poster. Without necroing the threads for wrath era would be negligible.
That’s not proof. How people behave when something is free doesn’t tell us anything about how much they will pay for the product or how long they will pay. The majority of internet services are paid for by advertisers but when that proves to be insufficient even highly trafficked sites cannot raise enough from subscriptions to remain profitable. News sites are the most obvious example of this. The subscription model is barely working for a few of the national newspapers, like NYT and Washington post, but has failed most other previously popular newspapers. Most right wing news sites don’t even try the subscription model and are financed by a rich billionaires for propaganda purposes. Twitter/X is another. When it lost over half it’s advertisers and Musk tried to replace it with subscriptions the effort failed miserably.
By the way, when people were trying to get a Vanilla classic era everyone claimed that Vanilla was the most popular private server realms.
I’m sure some bottoms would play on it also.
Just let the hardcore permanent wrath fans have their one server. If they stop playing and it’s dead in three months, which it will be, can it.
If they are on warmane and not on wrath that means they wouldnt come even if there was a wrath server.
Poll those 10k players and find out the % that liked the changes that happened during this version of wrath.
I wont assume but if 10k are on warmane and not on the blizz server thats a hint.
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I’d be curious how they’d handle Arena Seasons which would be about the only thing I would want to play again in Wrath, though participation seemed relatively low overall.
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I suspect that the most disliked change from Warmane to an official wrath server is the change from free to $15 a month
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i agree that warmane inflates pop numbers on their website (as well as fake queues to encourage you to spend money)
but anyone can see the hundreds of chars running around dalaran. that can’t be faked
you can just /who 43-45 or something random and see an insane amount of chars. warmane tbc was hugely populated
Not trying to be argumentative, what im trying to say in a roundabout way is that apparently the Wrath content does have “staying power”/some kind of draw, for a sizeable chunk of players out there. Also it must be said that a lot of europeans can’t afford $15 a month for real wow
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I don’t dispute that. But it was also what those who wanted vanilla era said. I’ve never done private servers and could not understand why anyone would play the same game forever, but they convinced me. I was a huge supporter of vanilla era because I believed them when they told me the era servers would be massively active. I think even blizzard bought into the hype after totally missing how many players wanted classic and that’s why they kept all the servers open for Vanilla era. We were all wrong and vanilla era was a massive failure and a money sink for blizzard.
There also seems to be a big difference between what people will do if something is free and what they do if there’s a monthly subscription fee. How people behave when something is free doesn’t tell us anything about how much they will pay for the product or how long they will pay. A large part of internet services are paid for by advertisers but when that proves to be insufficient even highly trafficked sites cannot raise enough from subscriptions to remain profitable. News sites are the most obvious example of this. The subscription model is barely working for a few of the national newspapers, like NYT and Washington post, but has failed most other previously popular newspapers. Most right wing news sites don’t even try the subscription model and many are financed by rich billionaires for propaganda purposes or by selling supplements or survival gear. Twitter/X is another example. When it lost over half it’s advertisers and Musk tried to replace it with subscriptions the effort failed miserably.
Can’t say I have ever done arena seriously. The majority of the player-base isn’t that hardcore and is perfectly fine with using just the honor gear. Most save up and just buy the weapons or something after a few months. It’s just like raiding. Some people do it but most nowadays can’t because of the whole adulting thing. Wrath is basically a casual expansion which is why it’s the most popular peak of WoW. Vanilla was too hard to get gear due to the crazy ranking systems.
Arena seasons start and stop, and there is some downtime in-between where you cannot queue for ranked arenas.
I suppose they could repeat the last arena season. You would have people going into it already fully geared, and you would just keep earning the same titles and mounts from the last season.
Or they could turn them off, and have it just be the downtime, so no ranked arenas.
Actually, most people would prefer an official server, even if paying. Plus, they have access to play the other versions of wow. It helps to increase traffic in their other versions, as well. A win-win for everyone, if they just opened those closed minds…
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Guess he forgot blizzard quit reporting there sub numbers altogether…when they were losing so many of them…lol.
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They did that during WOD, and that was at 6.5 million, recently we found out since then WoW is back to 7+ million subs.
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Where are these people at because i’ve only ran into one irl that even knows about WoW. These new kids in their 20’s definitely don’t play it. Ive alctually ran into more people that play D&D, a literal board game than WoW irl.
Because people don’t openly discuss playing WoW for 20 years.
Lets be honest, yall would complain and quit anyways. Thats how the warcraft player base has always and will always be