Official "Play with the Devs" Discord is Horde-Only

I assume I’m not the only one who sees this a problem.

This has less to do with the specific folks who manage the discord or even specific Blizzard devs on the art team or quest design team etc who overwhelmingly choosing to favor Horde for the perks of playing on that faction, and more-so is a problem specifically that falls in the lap of Ion Hazzikostas and the game systems team who allowed one faction to be so overwhelmingly dominant that even Blizzard’s own devs have had no choice but to go Horde to engage with the game in the way they want to.

More and more there is conversation in the Discord channels I frequent that if you want to push keys, you should go Horde. Like, it isn’t really a discussion, it’s just said matter-of-factly. For high-end keys, Horde outnumbers Alliance more than 100 to 1. It’s actually insane.

Similarly, for raiding, if you want to do progression raiding at a CE level you’re pretty much expected to go Horde if you want to find a real guild.


I’d wager some amount of money that a larger proportion of players who play end-game as Alliance have taken a break to try FFXIV than Horde, simply because it is harder and harder to even play this game as Alliance. This is costing you money Blizzard - and I don’t have to tell you, you likely already have the data in front of you.

#MrHazzikostasTearDownThisWall

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Ok, that just makes the whole “we’re gonna engage with a community that currently hates us I’m sure nothing will go wrong” even funnier.

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shouldnt be a surprise that they all play horde though, all of the prominent WoW devs that i can think of have always played horde except for Metzen

i would prefer cross faction play myself, tired of having all of my characters split between H and A and having to figure out where i can send and get mats between them all. at the very least i dont understand why i cant send my gold and items between my own characters, regardless of faction. AHs are cross faction now anyway

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It isn’t particularly surprising, but it is hilariously bad optics when the faction balance problem is something that is rapidly approaching Tier 1 / Mission-Critical in severity.

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well oceanic seems to be the other way around idk what your point is. its just evident NA american players like horde more while oceanic love alli more kind of crazy right no to cross faction. theres enough alli left to do anything they want they just dont im sure if some of ya tryed enough you could get alli doing these things instead of being of forums instead of putting effort in elsewhere for alli.

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Imma just be here, waiting for someone to call him Fuzzy Koalas, and start up the delete/temp ban train again.

(Lol, it may have been years ago and on the old forums, but even watching it from afar was funny.)

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A) Oceanic’s player-base not compared to NA or EU or CN.

B) If what you said is true, oceanic having a population imbalance issue would be remedied by tearing down the faction divide.

C) The WoW devs overwhelmingly playing one faction represents its own kind of problem as they may not even have a proper window into the problems with the less-populace faction.

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It will never change. It’s the same tune over and over, even the new “cool lead”, Mike Ybarra, at Blizzard posted a screenshot of his overwatch page and his B-net icon was the horde banner…in overwatch.

The devs weren’t forced to go horde, it was always the default there. And the lawsuit reveals just confirmed that their workplace is filled with unprofesionalism and bias. So, honestly, as alliance, the best advice is just, leave the game, don’t expect anything to change.

Just sit back and enjoy as the lawsuits bite them, specially the wow team, in the hiney.

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Is this the Discord server Ybarra made?

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We knew as far back as Cataclysm, when they went into great detail on Horde updates, then rushed through the Alliance content after running out of time, which side the majority of developers played on. This predates Ion by years.

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hmm maybe that could be a legal argument. “your honor, most of them play HORDE”

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theres plenty of alli to get it done left why they aint you tell me. no to cross faction all the tools are there use them only thing needs changed cross server mythic at start of every raid no excuses left to remove cross faction.

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We also knew since cataclysm, they don’t give a f about anything other than what they play when cata was overwhelmingly imbalanced in favor of mages (mageclysm) but they weren’t nerfed because the devs played mages. Something Ghostcrawler admitted when he moved to Riot.

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Well the Horde needs to be hand held , so Its expected :sunglasses:

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I guess its kinda too late to do anything to fix faction imbalance right now. A lot of ex alliance players have now deeply commited themselves to play horde and I doubt most of them would go back, even if drastic changes were to happen.

Cross faction grouping is the only solution in my view to fix this issue in the short term.

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Makes sense, I think most horde are angry little kids between 7 and 14 years old who picked horde because its more cool to be an evil monster then an elf or something not evil.

Explains why I will announce in chat if I find Relwik or zelnithop up, but horde just run up and attack, don’t even bother to stop and see if other horde need.

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Well, I supposed if people heavily Horde biased.

It’s fitting that I’m part of the Alliance.

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by the same token i feel most alliance are in their 60s and still coasting off the adrenaline rush they got from being a hall monitor in middle school…

i’m kidding of course. what nonsense!

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Sentenzah, agreed on all points, however I wanted to highlight this quote (emphasis mine), I think you meant to write ‘you should go Horde’ there, to go along with the rest of what you’d written.

Else I’m not fully awake and am misunderstanding. If so, my apologies.

Edit - original post is sorted, please ignore this.

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I do yell at the clouds more often than I used to…

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