fix leeway please for the upcoming servers
I 100% guarantee this will create a rift where one of these two types will alienate the other
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Where’s normal fresh?
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I don’t think it’ll be as big an issue as some are saying. This divide would be mainly for endgame with (addon use VS no addon use). The bulk of players on this mode won’t make it to 60 so they’d have no reason to even care.
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You can bet the HC players will be divided on the official server.
It’s tantamount to suddenly introducing two or more Football, Baseball, Hockey, etc. National Leagues.
Socially speaking, the community will be divided. Each HC group will have its own ruleset whereas today, the vast majority play together using one (HC addon).
Also, Solo Self-Found (SSF) is unlikely to be enforced. In yesterday’s Twitch stream announcement even the OG hardcore players like NomNomHC didn’t want SSF enforced, which is very sad to me.
This means economically speaking, the HC community will be divided. Non-SSF players will create a demand for gold which will bring RMT Pay-to-Win, Bot-Infested, GDKP cheaters.)
As Ghostcralwer discovered, if there is one universal truth about WoW players: PLAYERS CHOOSE EFFICICNCY OVER EVERYTHING ELSE. (And, given the choice, they will buy that efficiency in the form of gold and boosts, as we all know, just pulling up the Social panel or joining a BG and seeing dozens of Bots in Wrath today.)
The level playing field that is HC today is over.
This will result in a sad but familiar gap between HC players who trade (AH and/or gold, including RMT) who buy their gear, pay for boosting and show up with BIS in everything…and SSF players. I don’t think many non-SSF players are going to be happy for me to tank or heal in my SSF Whites and Greens, when they have BIS in every single gear slot.
And no, SSF and non-SSF players can’t both happily exist. Why? Once reason is, when the AH and trading is enabled (and the Bots inevitably arrive with their gold supply), resources will be scarce for SSF players. It will be much harder for me to scrape together the resources I need when they are all in the AH and consumed by the non-SSF players.
What’s going to happen is what has always happened in EVERY version of WoW Classic. A huge portion of players will end up using gold (either from AH or RMTs) to beat the game.
Bots will be a scourge on the World once again, even in HC. The value of Gold will be insane on HC so you can bet the Bots will be there farming dungeons like they always have, now that 1-run Dungeon rule will not be enforced.
The gold-free world of HC as we know it today will be over. Gold will be king again.
This happened at the end of Classic WoW, TBC and throughout all of Wrath. HC will be no different. RMTs, boosting, gold will infect the HC realm like it has every official server while Blizzard fails to police its own currency.
And no, 1-Death doesn’t make much difference. It will incentivize profit for the Gold Traders and Boosters actually. People will just just swipe and buy a new HC 60 and jump back into raiding the next day. Profit.
I won’t be there to see the cheaters and their Bots again - three versions of Classic WoW being overrun with RMT cheaters is enough for me.
HC was fun while it lasted.
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Roughly 60 replies after a day? Boy there’s a ton of excitement around this! Another thing to the list of demands that people will ignore after a week.
Cap.
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Can we at least get some XP buff or something on classic era servers.
while we wait for the new season of (not mastery2)?
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HARD-CRINGE runs !!
Wait until all the streamers realize you can’t appeal.
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if you think I won’t use potions you’re kidding yourself. I always abstained in the past for fairness sake but not with a death=delete.
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You realize you can just say this same thing to hc players currently in relation to non hc. Like, the addon already solves this “problem”. Who cares if someone runs instances over questing with friends on a hc server but without the addon. It has no bearing on those who play with the addon.
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Sweet, looking forward to being able to run Armory more than once!
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You have dozens if not a hundred nonHC servers to spam Deadmines on.
Keep HC real!
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Lol, these forums are full of bitter people.
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Do you think HC is the Challenge? The Challenge is a Solo Self Found challenge. Solo Self Found is a rule set self imposed within Hardcore Game modes.
Hardcore is not the Hardcore Challenge. The Hardcore Challenge is a Challenge played within the Hardcore game mode.
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To clarify
What has been called Hardcore in the context of WoW, is the experience developed by the community and mediated currently by an addon, of one-life ‘mostly SSF’ (grouping allowed for levelling dungeons, once each.)
The fact that in other games Hardcore has meant ‘only’ one-life, no other restrictions, in my opinion is less relevant.
If you reinstate trading pre-60, AH, and running dungeons more than once you WILL get a different experience. It WON’T be the same experience that has actually created all the vibe and buzz in the first place.
I don’t know if you’ve tried it yourself, but I am currently levelling HC and I was doubtful of the value of the extra restrictions, at first. But now, actually doing it, I see how the restrictions contribute to the excitement and even, paradoxically, to the sense of community.
I think one-life Official servers, that don’t follow the Hardcore (as defined by the current community and mediated by the add-on) rules will be a failed experiment as it won’t capture the feeling that the current rules create.
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The community will still play by their addon rules. So you don’t have to worry about not having that experience.
My Paladin made it to 59 before mistakes were made.
The solo adventure was very boring. There are so many opportunities to play with other people that the addon rules rob you of. It’s boring.
Gear does not make a difference in the grand scheme of ways to die. You can still easily die with full blues just as easy as it is to die with full greens. Buying gear or being traded it will make no difference when you misplay and over pull.
I’d rather play with people in Hardcore than play solo again.
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Then why are you doing HC? If SSF is boring or you don’t like it, then don’t do it. Who is forcing you against your will to abide by HC rules, or the addon, or server rules w/e that happens???
What you are saying is because it is boring to you, then it should be changed for everyone, because you think YOU are the absolute arbiter of what is right and wrong.
There is nothing more toxic or anti-human than that kind of attitude.
I do sympathise with you.
I’m finding the levelling newly engaging (even finding a green can be a real source of excitement…) and chatting with guildies while questing, then running age-appropriate dungeons with them as milestones as we level together is awesome,l. You might not; you might get more out of a levelling experience where you get more ‘interaction’ by trading and grouping for outside world quests and elites.
Hopefully we both agree dungeon spam instead of actual outside levelling is toxic?
If both ways of experiencing the game are valid, the question is ‘what should the servers default to’? In my mind (I’m a Burke / Sowell conservative) the add-on/community version of HC has worked to create thousands of enthusiasts, buzz, community engagement and hype. Essentially, it’s proof by life. Why would you NOT start by implementing that?
It’s possible a different version (one-life but allow trading/AH/dungeon spam etc) might work well but there’s no evidence for it, and many a priori reasons to think it may not.
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