Observations from leading AV for Alliance in the past 2 weeks

No, way too much speculation in this. But, thank you for trying.

Fear ward makes you immune to a single fear and then it is gone. Paladin bubble makes the paladin immune for 12 seconds and has a 5 minute cooldown. Neither of those abilities can be used to break fear that has already landed. WOTF is like warrior berserker rage in that it both breaks fear AND makes you immune for a duration.

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Bud. In one click you can get 5 targets to burn a trinket. Except warriors. Or especially undead warriors.

Because everything the alliance get to break a fear, horde get plus one. And yet fear is still the best cc ability in the game.

Nothing you’ve said negates that.

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If you would rather have escape artist on your warrior then stun resist or WtoF you are not a good PVP’er you are a grass is greener player.

Their is not situation anyone can name where casted escape artist saves your 1v1 or your PVP group. It is not even close to as game changing as stone skin is. Racials that negate entre classes are better then ones where you get out of that one random 15 person frost nova.

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hah, that’d be pretty funny if the only change they made was preventing alliance from holding druids.

Ive been playing horde for 7 years, when classic came i decided to play alliance to change things, but after p2 and seeing how horde players are toxic af (forum and ingame) im now alliance main…

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A plate class vs a melee class with a 10 second shield a 6 second stun, multiple chances to heal, and LoH. Seems pretty reasonable

My mistake i thought LoH was in the ret tree for some reason

Druids, Ice mages. If you face any ice mage with half a brain youd know theres literally no way to win against one if he uses his cooldowns. If i dont immediately blow up the mage and he roots me again after ive used pvp trinket. Im basically dead

pretty sure paladin bubble breaks them out of everything…

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How is the hill the shamans go on los? Its a hill hunters can shoot them through the freaking terrain. U can see them as you are coming down from sfgy open your eyes.

I was in a AV yesterday on my alt. Alliance did the above we summoned ice lord alliance got cave camped all defense at shgy isn’t going to win another of games.

Oh and 80% of the horde team was warriors with 5 healers.

LOL he said in one click. I hope all aliance arent still clicking their abilities 15 years into a games existence

Undead warriors wouldnt use WOTF to break fear to begin with.
Aside from UD rogues its unlikely that youre getting to the backline as a caster to fear bomb. Most casters are UD. UD warrior is more uncommon. UD rogue is popular but they have pvp trinket to break fear.

Once again youre shifting the argument. Im not trying to argue that horde dont have one more fear break. Im arguing that stuns are more powerful than fears because stuns dont have as many abilities, items, other ways to be broken like fears do

You don’t get multiple chances paladins are stupid easy to interrupt by any class and people die faster in classic than probably any other point in WoW. You know my t2 helm is plate and actually gives less health than yours?

Probably because they’re the only ones who can realistically use it if your holy and using it you destroy the main thing paladin healers are known for and that’s being mana efficient. For such a huge CD it’s real stupid that it takes your mana away while warlocks can straight up come back to life with a half an hour and no talent points.

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Counterspell seems to be the exception and there is no shortage of mages in AV counterspell is a GG.

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Less to do with armor than health. When all your gear reduces my damage by about 35% (40% if youre wearing a shield)
And yes you do. Rogues dont have a stun break. So when you use your 6 second stun you can literally free cast heal yourself 1-2 times and still hit me after while im still stunned. Immune shield later in the fight to heal again. And people dying faster in classic means i also die faster in classic.

I think thats the case for every silence but im not sure. Like if i were to pummel or kick a paladin casting a heal i dont think they can bubble right after but idk if bubble falls in the same school of spell as healing spells

Rip my mana bar after that we don’t have a lot and if god forbid we use seal of command at a higher rank to actually try to do more damage they double dip into our mana by making the seal and judgement cost more. A paladin with no mana can’t do anything one stun and a bandage and the rogues fine.

Haven’t actually watched on kick so can’t confirm that one.

Well you are not doing a good job of it.

lol.

Love how you tried to focus in on the word “click” like it means anything. I’d stop trying to Sherlock the conversation, it only makes you look silly.

an AOE fear bomb in a group could burn a trinket on most alliance healers and if you make a pally blow his bubble, he’s dead. So there is that.

Fears > stuns.

Sorry mate.

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I see it all the time, its regularly how my fights against geared paladins go. And unless im pvp specced i dont have enough cooldowns to actually win against a geared paladin. I typically cant afford to be the one to pop blind first, because typically the fight will last until they are able to bubble again and blind is my only option to prevent them from healing or attacking me.

That’s why most of the time the rogues going after you are massively overgeared compared to you. Gear isn’t something pallies get a lot of access to when you have a ton of warriors around.

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Probably just depends honestly. I typically see ALOT of geared pallies. I ran into 3 hammer of rag pallies the other day with flame guard and DTP/Arathi shoulders (didnt look close enough to tell)

Its probably more than it was in vanilla considering more of the game is understood and more of the content is on farm sooner than before

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Hammer of rag we can realistically get because warriors have so many more options that taking away that for paladins is not cool. The flame guard and DTP is another story flameguard I might say maybe because of how far into classic we are, but DTP is rare to see on a ret most of the geared rets I see pretty much have to get the pvp set through ranking because they won’t be given any from raids over the 10+ warriors.