So the Alliance has all of these crazy powerful NPC characters like Jaina, Malfurion, Khad’gar etc… Who on the Horde side rivals any of those in power?
Whoever needs to defeat them for the plot.
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Insightful. Maybe the Loa would be able to stop them.
Well, there’s Sylvanas, and also Sylvanas, and by the way Sylvanas is fairly powerful.
Everyone else on the Horde either died or got neutered like Thrall.
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Yeah. Sylvannas is up there in the scale of power, but she was losing pretty badly to Malfurion in WoTT until Saurfang came in with an axe to the back. I feel like she would have lost otherwise.
That’s a big reason why I’m asking. The Alliance has these POWERHOUSES of NPC characters and leaders, but the Horde is relatively weak compared to them. How have we not lost BfA already.
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If the Loa are plot relevant.
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I’m not really trying to discuss plot relevance more of just raw power vs. power on each faction side.
Jaina has maintained her power even when she was less relevant to the plot. Malfurion has also done this, along with other NPC characters so plot relevance kind of goes out of the window with those guys.
I do see your point though.
What Horde fails to understand is that we need all those Demigod powerhouse characters on our side. Without them we’d be at the mercy of Nathanos -Plot Armor- Blightcaller!
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Heros on the horde side are less in quantity, that’s for sure. doesn’t mean anything.
Malf and Tyrand got their elven butts handed to them by Nathanos.
The plot is irrelevant of who has what
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Are we counting Vol’jin at this point? Being a Jedi Ghost must mean he’s significantly more powerful than when he was alive. Dunno how that’s going to play out tho.
Other than that First Arcainist Thalyssra seems like she had the potential to be a powerhouse, but the story hasn’t presented her as such.
Ebonhorn is technically a powerhouse, being a black dragon, but he seems to be busy fighting Old God whispers most of the time.
Queen Talanji has been built up as a powerful priestess, but it’s uncertain how much of that power is her own and how much belongs to the Loa.
Yeah it’s kind of just sylvanas at this point for the old guard, and that’s only thanks to recent developments where she can apparently assume banshee form at will, giving her phasing abilities, flight, and a sonic scream attack that kills everyone near her.
I’m assuming those will be incorporated into fight mechanics.
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Not sure what you mean by this. Maybe I’m missing something from lore. Could you explain?
Would love to see her rise in power, and potentially be the rival of Jaina.
I totally forgot about this guy.
I also kind of forgot about Talanji, but if Rhastakan was killed by PC’s with the backing of Bwonsamdi, I don’t feel like Talanji would fare much better. I do think she is more embraced by a larger proportion of the Loa than her father so perhaps that would help her out.
That scene is a side effect of the Blizz having killed off all the Horde’s heroes. Due to the game being a MMO, both teams have to be “equal” in every way, even if it’s not logical. So Nathanos is “equal” to Malfurion+Tyrande.
If the Alliance has 100 plot armor points spread between their 50 Super God Heroes, and the Horde has 100 plot armor points spread between their 1 Super God Hero and their 5 lesser heroes…
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Correction, Nathanos = Tyrande + Malfurion + Elune!
I’ve absolutely missed something in the lore. Where did Nathanos beat Tyrande and Malfurion?
sylvanas will become a goddess soon then she will rival all the ally heroes
The Night Warrior scene. Tyrande gets a huge powerup, and goes with her god-power husband to stop Nathanos from ressurecting the dead Wardens. They both attack him, but because he had a Valk floating behind him (which now gives +9999 plot armor apparently), he slapped them around for a while, resurrected the Wardens as Dark Wardens, and cackled as he flew away across the water.
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It’s a little bit of a joke. Vol’jin was said to be the most powerful Shadow hunter alive, when he lived, and was greatly favored by the Loa to the point that they aided with him over the Zandalari in MoP (as detailed in Shadow of the Horde.)
Since his death, he has been brought back to the land of the living by some unknown but apparently ‘virtuous’ force, and he now belongs neither to the land of the dead nor the damned. His spirits is extremely strong, to the point Talanji herself marvels at how powerful Vol’jin must be, and he seems to be able to move with impunity between the realms of life and death.
There was a rumor for awhile that this was because Vol’jin was going to become a Loa himself, the Loa of the Horde, but the plot thread involving him and his nature has been left dangling.
I disagree. Bwonsamdi made it pretty clear he didn’t care about Rastakhan and was much more interested in having Talanji serve him. Letting the old king die so the new queen would fall under his direct control seems like it may have been his plan from the start.
Likewise, much of Rastakhans power was derived first from Rezan and then from Bwonsamdi. Talanji seems to be able to use the Light in ways her father never could, and all of the Loa acknowledge her power and respect her to the point, as mentioned before, Bwonsamdi seems to covet her. I think Queen Talanji could be much stronger than her father, and I don’t think the Loa would allow her to die as easily as they allowed Rastakhan to die.
Bwonsamdi certainly won’t until Talanji has a child, otherwise the deal that makes him the head of the pantheon falls apart.
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Wild. That is some THICC plot armor. I just rewatched the encounter on youtube.
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That may just be an understatement.
It is embarrassing that even Dragon Ball Z has more consistency in character power levels that Warcraft.
I refuse to believe that anyone at Blizzard ever proof reads their writing when it comes to the story.
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Because of the plot, there’s no point in discussing raw power vs. power.
Hell, Alliance side the Darkshore Warfront introduction presents Tyrande, Malfurion, and the player as taking down not just Nathanos and the one Val’kyr, but an entire army of Royal Dreadguards and the rise Kaldorei Dark Rangers, while none of them are able to land a single hit on Tyrande or Malfurion (in the Alliance gameplay), and then Tyrande one-shots the Val’kyr and Nathanos tells everyone to run with their tails between their legs.
But the second Val’kyr is just floating there. Untargetable by gameplay mechanics. Just left there to raise the Night Elves. Because that’s the plot.
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