Everyone excuses sylvanas for her BFA writing because BFA, but then just casually refuses to share the love.
Not me. I donât think thereâs a hole deep enough for Anduin, Baine, or Sylvanas at this point. Go ahead and chuck Elune in there too.
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The writing for Varok went into the bin long before BFA. Wrath Saurfang would have trounced Garrosh long before any assassination attempts on Volâjin. Heck, he mightâve ended Garrosh after killing Cairne just because the makâgora was tainted. Instead, the best we get is him killing some bugs in SoO because reasons.
The writing team has unmercifully slaughtered Sylvanas, Saurfang, Baine, Thrall, and a host of others because they refused to figure in a characterâs personality in the story they wanted hamfist together.
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Because heâs been harboring that fantasy since before she did. In AGW he fantasized about challenging her to Mokâgora for saying âLokâtar Ogarâ because she wasnât an Orc. Even though at the time he believed she was right and that her strategy was sound. And he knew she would beat him but he wanted to die because he was depressed
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This circled back to you forgiving sylvanas for bfa out of character writing but not doing the same for Saurfang.
Agw is a BFA book, lol.
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He feels he canât challenge Sylvanas to a MokâGora because she IS a good leader of a true horde because many of the soldiers he saw around him were ecstatic about their victory and he realized that Thralls horde was different.
Youâd have to remind me, what major losses did the Horde suffer under Sylvanas, prior to the MokâGora? Darkshore, I guess, canonically? They never really explained that defeat.
The âshow donât tellâ mantra didnât make it in BfA for me. They didnât show me Sylvanas being a bad leader. They didnât show me genocide. They showed Sylvanas being effective and victorious. They told us she committed genocide. They told us she was bad for the horde, but I didnât get that. Idk.
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Dude, she literally blighted her own troops and raised them as undead in front of the other Horde leaders who were suffering from bad latency/low ping I guess. Her support was entirely conjured out of thin air except for the Forsaken.
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Yeah. She did. She blighted some troops. She also saved quite a lot of people from Saurfangâs mistake. UC was lost because Saurfang screwed up.
I guess you could say that it was Sylvanasâ mistake because she didnât have to try to honor Saurfang by letting him have the kill. She should have been more cold.
I love BfA. I didnât love SL. I donât like Golden, but I did love almost everything about BfA. I was very hopeful going into Shadowlands that Sylvanasâ promise that it would all make sense would hold true.
Her entire goal was feeding souls to The Maw, though, so it isnât like Saurfang holding back was the roadblock to a happy outcome. Sylvanas wasnât even instrumental in our fight against the Legion. She didnât even try to avenge Volâjin as she said to rally the troops. She just sailed off to Stormheim on some nefarious scheme to risk making an enemy of Odyn and Eyir.
The entire Horde being devoted to her just didnât make sense.
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Especially after she started covering her midriff.
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Uma Thurmanvanas is mildly belly button shy.
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I donât think it was originally.
She wouldnât have been mad at Saurfang for screwing up her invasion of Darnassus. she wouldnât have evacuated UC and could STILL have sprung that trap. She could have burned Darnassus, and let the Alliance take UC then blighted Lordaeron with everyone in it.
I think âit was all to feed souls to the mawâ was an afterthought.
Yeah, all of the storytelling between BFA launch and SL end was an afterthought. Best not to try to untangle the turdstrand threads of that tapestry, because it just makes you sad.
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Eh⌠that wasnât bad.
Voljin didnât say âavenge meâ. He said âdonât let the horde die this day.â So she put all her forces into keeping the planet alive and took a small entourage to secure a future for the forsaken.
Not sure why Helya is a less impressive ally than Odyn. Potentially she could have come with a more impressive portfolio of assets. Odyn sucks.
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If you think that itâs in character for the Highlord of the Might of Kalimdor to have hurt feefees cause a forsaken said for the horde, you have a very fragmented and incomplete understanding of the character.
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She asks you, the player, to help her avenge voljin. That is all she asks of you.
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She said victory or death and he didnât like the implication. It was super well written. I felt he was super relatable in AGW. His flaws were very human. His PTSD was better than Anduinâs by a mile.
We did. And she didnât ask us to dominate Eyir. Did she even ask us to kill Greymane for screwing it up?
Presuming you want to take the obscenely charitable view that the Horde did anything at all during Legion, Sylvanas was absent for all of it but the intro and Stormheim.
Oh, well yeah.
She threatened to raise Lorâthemarâs troops into undeath against their will too. (Siege of Orgrimmar.)
I would expect anyone to tell her to duck off if she made said insinuation.
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