To the OP
I agree with you I like this xpac too but this forum is pretty much a toxic pool where people come to complain then all the other players agree with them because there all here for the same thkng
08/17/2018 08:39 PMPosted by ViktorrixLol it feels bad, it is bad. Offers nothing to strive for.
What do you mean? You don't want to do 100 WQ's a day to grind out artifac- I mean AZERITE power to unlock one of the key features of the expansion? I personally love completing WQ's for artif- dang I did it again - AZERITE power +65, to slowly whittle away at the 40k+ i'm going to need to actually see if I even think the trait system is fun.
Timesinks just being timesinks.
08/17/2018 08:44 PMPosted by Elynos<span class="truncated">...</span>
You're spot on, every expansion they have innovated and bought us something new and shiny, specifically in relation to hero progression.
This expansion feels like an extension of Legion so far and even worse due to the pruning and removal of so many things + the azerite system so far is a poor substitute for what was taken away.
Azerite system is way better than all the systems of legion combined
I like that I don't have to wait for boss drops to level up my artifact anymore. Just farm azerite, which is much easier to do.
08/17/2018 10:16 PMPosted by SathĂ elI'd like to remind people that it hasnt been a week yet. The only real portion of the game thats out is the WQs, dungeons, and island expeditions. The first raid or warfront isnt out just yet.
While Im not overly ecstatic about everything, I think its a wee bit too early to start waving the "This expack sucks" flag just yet.
Can I start waving my flag yet?
08/17/2018 08:29 PMPosted by RemigiusThe problem is that WoW has become formulaic. BFA is essentially the same game as Legion with new zones. Unfortunately, you can only play the same game for so long. If you were bored with Legion, then it won't be very long at all before you are bored with BFA.
Yes. I've said this many times in forum threads, but OP said it better.
It explains the negativity of the "8-year veterans", that is not shared by new players, or by Blizzard, or by game reviewers and award-givers, or by anyone else.
OF COURSE players get sick of playing the same game over and over. It's normal!
BfA has incredible art and music design and some conceptually interesting ideas marred by terrible implementation and execution.
damn, the original posters were woke af
While I agree with your premise, I disagree with your conclusion. I also feel that BfA is a good expansion. I don't feel that the problems here are a result of being formulaic, however. I feel that with the implementation of two gigantic expansion defining features (warfronts and island expeditions) Blizz has tried to break the formula of the past. The problems, I find, are that these features are falling flat and there have been numerous bugs that have plagued BfA thus far.
I applaud Blizz for trying to forge a new path in WoW, and give the players new and exciting content. I also encourage Blizz to keep trying new things. Perhaps increase the testing on the new things, but never stop innovating.
I applaud Blizz for trying to forge a new path in WoW, and give the players new and exciting content. I also encourage Blizz to keep trying new things. Perhaps increase the testing on the new things, but never stop innovating.
In all honesty... I just want my money back...
08/17/2018 08:29 PMPosted by RemigiusThe problem is not that BFA is bad. BFA is not bad at all. In fact it's a very high quality, well made game with beautiful zones, music, a fairly compelling story and fun gameplay.
The problem is that WoW has become formulaic. BFA is essentially the same game as Legion with new zones. Unfortunately, you can only play the same game for so long. If you were bored with Legion, then it won't be very long at all before you are bored with BFA.
Anyway, that's just the opinion of a filthy casual. Take it for what it's worth.
BfA is Legion .5 - before they really thought/tested through a lot of the lame and unablanced mechanics.
Casuals think the game was designed around elitists, elitsts think the game was designed around casuals. In truth, the game was designed around some dev's pigheaded vision about what would generate the most subs, and is just not fun.
I don't think the game is necessarily formulaic, and a lot of the problems with BfA stem from obviously lazy design decisions - eg replacing tier, artifacts, leggos with lame azerite.
Oh but warfronts and islands, those are so fun.
*sniff* *sniff* This thread smells a bit sour. *looks at date posted* Oh.
They picked the wrong expac to stick with a formula. They should have done that with MoP. Legion was only good because it wasnât WoD.
09/11/2018 09:38 PMPosted by HĂĄloBfA has incredible art and music design and some conceptually interesting ideas marred by terrible implementation and execution.
Classes are extremely homogenized. And unbalanced.
Tank balance is particularly bad, with guardians and prot warriors basically becoming unplayable in mid-heroic and around +10.
Professions are not fun.
PVP isn't rewarding.
Raiding is very low-yield compared to a decent M+ group.
M+ is incredibly boring - every dungeon is packed to the brim with trash a la HoV from the last expansion.
A lot of flatly dumb design decisions (Azerite, islands, warfronts) are central to this expansion.
I agree that the open world is best in the game's history, however go try ACO or RD2 (games that are much, much less expensive than wow) and then tell me BfA's open world is decent.
11/11/2018 05:29 PMPosted by DrkenypowersProfessions are not fun.
And they do not give a return of time and gold spent to maximize them!
Except for alchie and culinary, just mining and herbalism has a future!
Even enchants were ruined, with the inclusion of more RNG in their effects, which may or may not happen! More slotmachine/pachinko!
08/17/2018 08:29 PMPosted by RemigiusThe problem is that WoW has become formulaic. BFA is essentially the same game as Legion with new zones. Unfortunately, you can only play the same game for so long. If you were bored with Legion, then it won't be very long at all before you are bored with BFA.
The complete lack of any character progression is the biggest problem with the expansion. They ripped out every system of character progression and didn't replace it with anything. Azerite Armor isn't a replacement for character progression. It is barely a replacement for tier sets.
In every other aspect of the game, the expansion is actually not that bad.
Itâs going to be Azshara where weâll have to combine again to defeat her in some place remarkably like Argus just underwater with a dungeon that weâll have to break open with something like the Vindicarâs Gun where weâll go through and defeat all her minions and then her.
Itâs not a question of it being the same story told over and over but if the story is told in a way that is engaging.
Mmmm, not quite. They did take out and change a lot of stuff with bfa, but fortunately are starting to put it back in with tides.
I think the problem is that the story is garbage, but I think youâre onto something.
I remember the Mass Effect 3 debacle where the game had a bad ending. Despite the backlash, Casey Hudson defending the ending as a âwork of artâ.
I fundamentally disagree with the idea that games are a form of artwork on the basis that theyâre ultimately a mass-produced consumer product that arenât created for expression as much as generating a profit. But I think that pendulum has swung the other way in Blizzardâs case.
Blizzardâs game design and story is 100% about what will motivate consumers to buy the game and spend time in it.
Thereâs a sweet spot where a gameâs design and story can have artistic integrity and still be marketable, but itâs pretty clear BfA is a game entirely tailored by consumer trends.
lol
The gameplay is legion but worse and I didnât even like legion. The zones and music are wonderful, but how much crap has been just plain broken since the prepatch? This expansion was not well made.
And the âstoryâ? I have rarely read fanfics that are any worse than BFAs contrived plot.
And Iâm just an altaholic LFR hero except this expansion I donât even feel compelled to do LFR or level alts since the 7.5 changes. Mythic+ folks and normal+ raiders have whole hosts of other complaints.
Mostly this expansion is just tedious and boring, even in WoD I could make my own fun.
2 Likes
BFA is weird for me. I think itâs fun. I think itâs a decent expac.
The Zandalar and Kul Tiras zones? Ridiculously beautiful. Very compelling storylines, arguably the best that Blizz has ever done. Itâs a very rich expansion environment.
The faction war story is very bad, though. It really takes away from the rest of the BFA stories.
Azerite armor and the necklace are pretty bad, too. Theyâre vastly inferior replacements for tier gear and artifact weapons.
BFA is also lacking big cosmetic things to chase, like in Legion. Having a large number of artifact tints to go after was a really good way to get me motivated to do a lot of different activities in Legion. In BFA, I donât really feel motivated to do anything other than raid (which I do for the fun, not the rewards).
Warfronts and Island Expeditions are âmeh,â at best. For me, at least. I love M+, I just wish the dungeons were better. Half of them are just outdoor zones made into âdungeonsâ to save time and money. Not very exciting.
As others have said, BFA is like Legion but with worse systems. Iâm incredibly thankful for the removal of RNG legendaries, though. So happy to see that system gone.
1 Like