The line indicating how fantastic the world needs to be for politics to be unwelcome, (and the line indicating what “real world” politics even is) seems to be in a different place depending on who you ask.
For example, many who are ok with Bioshock 1’s fantasy world where Andrew Ryan lectures at the player about a real world economic and social philosophy that many politicians still run their campaigns on, will then turn around and say Bioshock 2 got too political when it talked about racism.
That makes a lot of sense actually! It seemed like almost overnight it happened.
Everyone enjoying silly 80s robot game and then all of a sudden people that really need to go outside and touch grass screaming about secret woek organization infiltrating the fandom or something and it’s like what are you talking about?? You mean, some players are gay and trans and not racist play the game and you are shocked and appalled by that?
I liked the RTS game but I actually don’t play the table top game cuz yah, it gets a bit too mathy for me (and I also have to leave my house and interact with real life humans). Which I guess makes me one of those horrible casuals infiltrating the fandom but I just like trashcan mech and the gummy minis my friend made me.
Sorry if I delivered it too bluntly. What I should have said is that politics has its place in video games. But it needs to make sense in the setting, and themes of the universe your putting it into. Sorry if my previous statement came off as too brash.
Alright, that I can agree with!
And no worries, I realize that when we talk about things we care about we can be a little hasty with our language and I assumed that was what happened here! Your main point is solid, besides that nitpick of mine, haha!
I totally agree with you! Warhammer doesn’t need to change, but instead people need to learn to separate fiction from reality. Warhammer was meant to be a satire in a sense. Showing the worst future that humanity could find itself in. A counter to the Star Trek idea of a utopia if you will. But there should be a major line between what can be, and what the future should be.
Lmao, its nbd. As one of my favorite video game characters said. The line between right and wrong can get blured when your looking at people (Or in this case, things you know and love.) I’m also crap at describing things
Actually I just remembered but there’s some parts of the game’s history that has not aged well. For example one of the major antagonist in the game’s lore is very yellow peril and there’s other things like that which exist. I believe there’s been efforts by the different studios to scrub and revise a lot of that from the newer material, which then, yah leads to right wing babies feeling threatened and oppressed cuz oh no, the main bad guy doesn’t look like a hateful caricature anymore.
As you say, there’s quite a few people out there that need to go outside and touch the grass.
But for what it’s worth I apologize that the Battletech enthusiasts are presently dealing with Warhammer’s refuse.
Though the fandom I feel bad for is the Bolt Action! crowd. It’s kind of hard to keep those kinds of people away from an actual wargame about WW2.
This. He ended up closing up shop back in 2008 because no one went there anymore, hence why he just took it down and rebranded to cater to people way too into playing Germany in historical wargames. When you can’t make money with the dog whistle just go for the bullhorn.
It took until about 2012-2014 if I remember right for there to be a place that I’d consider driving to distance-wise and by then I was out of the hobby for so long it didn’t feel worth it to try again, and my idiot no-longer-friend (a story for another time) sold all of the minis I’d given him for like… $20 when he was hungry so I didn’t even have any armies to borrow.
Dawn of War: Dark Crusade crew forever, tabletop never.
Sorry you had a bad experience. I haven’t really went to any of the stores. Instead I tend to just buy them online.
It is what it is! Unfortunately for me I grew up in a rural part of New England so there was no one to really play anything with locally, it took me until Roll20 was a thing to actually play Dungeons and Dragons if you can believe it. I’d had all the source books since 3E but all they were good for was making me a more obnoxious pedant in Neverwinter Nights persistent world servers… when I could stay connected to them on a 56K because again, rural New England.
At this point it’s just a story to tell in light of recent unfortunate 40K community happenstance, but I appreciate it. It’s been exactly half my life since this took place, I don’t have the bandwidth to care about it anymore other than an anecdote. 
Good, a fellow gamer of culture.
Seriously, having grown up on WarCraft and StarCraft blind buying the entire Dawn of War franchise on an early Steam Sale back in yon early days of Vanndrel’s out of his parents’ house and nobody can tell him what he can’t spend money on…
No exaggeration. Dark Crusade was a Religious experience. To this day I consider it the all time best RTS title I have ever played and keep it installed in every rig just for when the mood strikes. It might have taken me another decade and some change to finally dive into the Hobby proper afterward, but Dawn of War really was my gateway into that franchise that spun out into what is now I suppose my version of a “Midlife crisis”.
Where instead of buying fast cars, I sit at home with paint and plastic while I listen to men with outrageously good voices tell me bedtime stories about a horrifying nightmare future or a magical realm of terrible horrors.
And then sometimes I like to switch it up and listen to TheVolgun talk about SCPs until I literally am too scared to sleep.
For me. Dark Crusade did the Grim Darkness of the far future so much justice. Something that Warcraft 3 failed to do for the Warcraft franchise for me. Each army in Dawn of War had their own unique quirks and tactics on how to play them which kept it faithful to the table top. For me, the greatest part of Dawn of War is hands down he voice cast. Which contained some of my favorite lines of dialogue outside the rpg genre. Favorite quotes of mine from DOW include but are not limited to.
“If you will not serve in combat. Then you will serve on the firing line!” -Commissar using execute
“Eleven barrels of HELL!”- Baneblade
“Glory to the first man that dies!”- Commissar Lord Bern
“You cower. I carve.” -Dark Eldar Mandrakes
“INTO THE FRAY!” -Dark Eldar Wychs
“Show me a worthy foe!”- Wych Squad
“An open mind is like a fortress with its gates left unbarred and unguarded.” -Space Marine Librarian
“Where is my quarry I long the hunt!” -Dark Eldar Warriors
I loved the fact your troops had unique lines depending on what they were fighting. They called out the enemy.
Also disembarking Khorne Beserkers from a Transport:
WE NEED A NEW DRIVER. THIS ONE IS DEAD.
I loved the fact that even when the voice acting failed it still was a win cause it was funny
“So says the slave to the free man.”
Many Dark Eldar characters are good. They just don’t get a lot of books written about them
More on topic, do you think Shadowlands and these lawsuits can have the same level of “killed a cultural phenomenon in its tracks” that Game of Thrones Season 8 did or will the “I have nothing else to play / It isn’t that bad” crew keep things afloat long enough for Blizzard to pull the plug themselves and say they meant to right on time.
Possibly. It would be uttered ironic as daunloser said he thought season 8 of game of throne was a masterpiece