Not getting the Correct Weapons Damage when Equiping Weapon

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So I had Demonshear blade which was a 163 - 246 Damage 2 handed sword. It has a +9 dmg weapon enchant on it. This gave me a damage in my character screen of 369 - 456 w/ 674 AP without battle shout. And 434 - 521 with 231 AP 4/5 talented improved battle shout (for a total of 905 AP) .

I won Obsidian Edged Blade last Night in MC, and was very excited! I equip OEB excited to see a huge damage increase, and what I found is shocking. I didn’t appear to be hitting any harder with OEB in either white hits or special attacks ala Mortal Strike than demonshear! It was faster, but seemed to be hitting no harder than the old weapon, even though it has +20 more top end damage and 42 strength! So I checked out the numbers…

The 176 - 264 dmg weapon with 42 strength only brought my weapons damage in my character screen to 374 - 467 without battle shout! A difference of only 5 - 7 dmg. Even though the damage difference WITHOUT the 84 AP from the STR is 4 - 9 dmg. The 42 STRENGTH isn’t adding anything?

The AP goes up by 84, but the weapon damage difference roughly stays the same as it would be without it!

Now, ith the 231 AP from battle shout the difference between the two actually gets worse somehow! Demonshear is 434 - 521 damage with battle shout and OEB is only 433 - 525!!! That’s a negative 1 damage difference on the low end and only a gain of 4 on the high end!!!

WTF is going on?

To make matters even more interesting, I got crusader on OEB. When it procs, it gives 100 STR or 200 AP. When it procs, the extra 200 AP is reflected under my character’s AP on top of the battle shout’s AP. However… OEB’s top end weapon damage jumps up 51 points from 525 to 576!!!

So Why is 200 AP from crusader giving a 50 point damage increase and the 84 AP from OEB’s base stats appears to be giving none?

Why does the 231 AP bonus from 4/5 improved battle shout narrowing the damage gap between two weapons by only a few points? Demonshear has NO AP or Strength and OEB has +20 points higher top end damage AND 42 strength, and yet it doesn’t appear to be boosting the weapons damage of OEB at all!

What is going on here???

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Just a guess, but AP increases DPS (14AP = 1 DPS) not attack damage. Perhaps the raw numbers seem smaller on the Obsidian Edged Blade because it is a 3.4 speed weapon, not a 3.8 speed weapon?

Have you tried comparing their DPS, not “raw damage”? Also, fwiw, your old Demonshear blade had 172 - 255 damage, so the top end damage was only 9 less (assuming +9 weapon damage adds to both ends)

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If you read my post, you’d see that I mentioned that WITH the +9 dmg enchant, the weapon damage difference between the two swords is 4 - 9 dmg WITHOUT the 84 AP from the STR. The difference in damages between the two swords is less than that, and it is almost the same with improved battle shout up. In fact the low end damage is HIGHER by one point on the Demonshear.

So the difference in weapon damage should be at LEAST 4 - 9 dmg NOT INCLUDING the 84 AP from OEB which should give an additional +20 weapons damage for a total weapons damage difference of 24 - 29.

Also, you don’t understand how to calculate weapons damage. Yes, 14 AP = 1 DPS. DPS = Damage per SECOND.

To calculate the actually weapons damage, you divide the AP by 14 and times that by the weapons speed. Weapon speed is normalized to 3.3 for all special attacks, so 84 / 14 = 6 x 3.3 = 19.8 Weapons damage.

I AM NOT GETTING THAT WEAPONS DAMAGE BONUS!!!

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The problem with me trying to math this is that idk your talents. I assume you have 5/5 Two-Hand Weapon specialization (THWS).

Also, I believe you are confusing normalization and melee attacks. You are correct that instant attacks are normalized in most cases, such as Mortal Strike. Melee auto attacks, however, are NOT normalized, so you don’t use 3.3 speed for your autos. OEB is 3.4 speed, and Demonsheer is 3.8, which is why its raw damage number may appear better. This is also why I asked to compare DPS, not raw values.

For example, let’s do the math on your Crusader proc with OEB. You said it increased your damage by 51.

So the OEB bonus damage from proc is: (200 AP / 14 DPS) * 3.4 Attack Speed * 1.05% 2H damage from THWS = 51 exactly. So, I believe that should be a fairly accurate formula. Let’s see about the low end weapon damage using your base 905AP

Demonsheer: (163 (Base) + 9 (enchant) + ((905 AP / 14 DPS) * 3.8 Attack Speed)) * 1.05% THWS = ~438.5
OEB: (176 (Base) + ((905 AP (Base) + 84 (OEB) / 14 DPS) * 3.4 Attack Speed)) * 1.05% THWS = ~437

I might be missing something small, as my low end damage math is about 4 higher then what you say, but I’m close on both numbers. For funsies, high end math:

Demonsheer: (246 (Base) + 9 (enchant) + ((905 AP / 14 DPS) * 3.8 Attack Speed)) * 1.05% THWS = ~525.7
OEB: (264 (Base) + ((905 AP (Base) + 84 (OEB) / 14 DPS) * 3.4 Attack Speed)) * 1.05% THWS = ~529.4

Again, math might be off a slight bit, but is still relatively consistent. From the best I can tell so far, the numbers you see in game are correct.

The reason OEB seems worse on autos is simply because it swings faster. On instant attacks, it will perform better then Demonsheer, as they will both be normalized for 3.3 Weapon Speed.

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Should have added this above, but normalization math:

Demonsheer: (204.5 (Base avg) + 9 (enchant) + ((905 AP / 14 DPS) * 3.3 Attack Speed Normalization)) * 1.05% THWS = ~448.2
OEB: (220 (Base avg) + ((905 AP (Base) + 84 (OEB) / 14 DPS) * 3.3 Attack Speed Normalization)) * 1.05% THWS = ~475.8

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Right, so by your calculations OEB should have 30 more damage and that’s not even factoring in the +42 STRENGTH as you are using the same AP for both formulations even though Demonshear has no stats and OEB has 84 AP!!!

OEB is bugged!!!

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I didn’t use the same AP for OEB. every one of my OEB formulas had a “+84 (OEB)” to differentiate the extra AP it got from the 42 Str on it, added to your base AP of 905.

Also, my conclusion was the in game numbers were correct. My formulas resulted in values a few digits off (about 4 or so at most) from what you claimed it said in game.

What you said:
Demonshear is 434 - 521
OEB is 433 - 525

What my math said:
Demonsheer is 438.5 - 525.7
OEB is 437 - 529.4

However, the key thing to note about these comparisons of weapons is they have different attack speeds. OEB is 0.4s faster, which means the slightly higher damage on it will add up faster over time. This is why i said comparing your weapon DPS in your character sheet would be better then the raw damage on the weapons.