Look something, we agree on!
What a shame that you can’t just do something nice for other players, instead demanding compensation for something you’re doing anyway. Unfortunately seemingly typical of players who are selfish, uncaring, and just in general not very nice.
Seriously, try doing things for others without expecting recompense. You will likely be surprised at the good feelings you experience. Being good to people is so very satisfying. Try it.
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Wtf is chiji.
I knew you were horrible at this game based on that facile thread you made about rogues, but i didnt think you were actually illiterate. Makes sense.
Doing something “nice” is a choice not an obligation. The moment you expect someone to give their time, effort, and expertise for free, you’re no longer asking for kindness, you’re demanding charity.
My time in‑game has value to me, just like yours does to you. If I choose to spend it helping others, that’s on my terms and if I ask for compensation, that’s simply setting a boundary, not being “selfish.”
Being good to people is great. So is respecting that other people’s time and effort!
That’s not very uwu of you.
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Sure it is, you just havent met a bratty sub yet.
It’s not what I’m arguing for.
Technically, I’m not arguing at all.
You can say
all you want, but your posts say otherwise.
When you defend keeping someone in the group regardless of skill and push back against kicking underperformers, the practical outcome is the same the rest of the group has to carry them. That’s not me twisting your words, that’s just following your position to its logical conclusion.
And saying
doesn’t change the fact that you’re taking a stance and defending it. That’s literally what arguing is.
Hmm… Have you ever been in an anecdotal situation with me like that to confirm that I’m lying?
Even if I was lying, you’d never know it or be able to prove such a thing.
A historical, well-known, anti-RDFer wants to lecture me on how RDF works…
I would agree that your anecdote here might be grounds for a kick; but…
You didn’t mention that b4 and can only take you at face value as to your kicking…
Even if he was doing that, you didn’t show the proper cordial procedure I would have; at least I don’t think you did…
Like you…
I’m only guessing if what you’re saying is true or not. (See… I too can call you a liar to your face without having to call you a liar at all)
No I haven’t…
Clearly shows that you have no clue what I’ve been talking about all along.
That’s because your A.I. does it for you.
Took a wrong left turn somewhere a while ago.
And here we are again same pattern, different post.
You’ve already been caught contradicting yourself in other threads, and now you’re back to the same routine:
- Dismissing what’s said with “you can’t prove it” instead of addressing the point.
- Throwing in irrelevant jabs (“anti‑RDFer”) to dodge the actual argument.
- Admitting you’d agree with a kick in one breath, then nitpicking “procedure” in the next to justify keeping the same kind of player you claim you wouldn’t tolerate.
That’s not clever wordplay it’s just you trying to have it both ways so you can never be wrong.
You can say “No I haven’t” and “wrong turn” all you want, but that’s just hand‑waving instead of addressing the point.
Your own words defending keeping someone in the group regardless of skill and opposing kicking underperformers lead to one inevitable outcome: the rest of the group has to carry them. That’s not me misunderstanding you, that’s just following your position to its logical conclusion.
If you think that’s wrong, then explain how your stance doesn’t result in exactly that, instead of pretending I “don’t have a clue” while sidestepping the actual argument.
I’m not dismissing what I said. I’m saying that you’re twisting my words and gaslighting that you’re not.
it’s like if you havent been around in the forums a while to know who’s who…
That druid Zyrus…
I’ve been arguing these issues with him since the old forums.
Because both of you are the same kind of gaslighters that didn’t pay attention to anything I said.
No sense in trying to explain it to you now…
You’re nothing but a gaslighter like a certain Gaspathy that once used to grace these forums.
Why would I spend too much energy addressing a gaslighter that is just going to twist words?
But you see, I haven’t really been defending anything. If you’d had paid attention to the idea I presented, you would know that.
I only presented the philosophy that true random etiquette would require everyone to accept everyone in the group for better or for worse and see that group to the end regardless of each member’s demeanor.
I even stated that I don’t adhere to that philosophy 100% which is why I believe kicking is sometimes necessary and somewhat agreed with that anecdotal example.
And if you had been paying attention from the beginning, you would have seen that.
But you didn’t…
And went on a tirade about contradictions…
Making nothing more than a fool of yourself.
You’re not being “gaslit” you’re being quoted. If your own words lead to a conclusion you don’t like, that’s not manipulation, it’s accountability.
Claiming “twisting” and “gaslighting” without showing how your position was misrepresented is just rhetorical smoke. You’ve repeatedly defended keeping underperformers in groups and pushed back against kicking, then tried to walk it back with vague exceptions and philosophical musings.
If you want to clarify your stance, do it. But don’t accuse me of gaslighting just because I followed your logic to its natural endpoint.
Longevity doesn’t equal credibility. You could’ve been wrong since the old forums and still be wrong now. If your argument can’t stand maybe it’s time to re-evaluate it instead of deflecting.
If you’re done explaining your stance, that’s your choice but don’t pretend it’s because others “didn’t pay attention.” Your posts are public, timestamped, and quoted. The record speaks for itself.
Presenting a “philosophy” and then immediately disclaiming adherence to it isn’t nuance it’s hedging. You floated the idea that true random etiquette means accepting all group members no matter what, then tried to distance yourself from it the moment it became indefensible.
That’s not complexity, that’s contradiction. And calling someone a fool for pointing it out doesn’t make the inconsistency disappear.
If you agree kicking is sometimes necessary, then the debate isn’t about etiquette it’s about thresholds. And your posts have repeatedly blurred that line, defending underperformance while vaguely conceding exceptions.
So no, this isn’t a tirade. It’s a pattern analysis. And the only thing being made a fool of here is the idea that you can argue both sides and never be held to either.
I would call you a liar but you’re probably not lying because you’re just being ignorant.
I stated early on that I don’t adhere to that philosophy completely.
But you are a fool and continue to act like one.
Correct…
Underperformance isn’t a good enough reason to kick someone. Not for me.
Both sides of what? What’s the issue?
Just because i do not like rdf does not mean i do not know how it works. Rdf is a democracy. If the majority choses to kick, for whatever reason, the kick is valid. Doesn’t mean its fair. Just valid.
Asked him to stop frost nova until i had mobs stacked. He didn’t. Asked him to do actual dps. He didn’t. He got kicked after that.
I try to fix the issue before resorting to kicking. I am not going to carry someone who is putting 0 effort into the run.
See i called you a liar based on facts. Noone wants to carry useless dead weight that they know is exploiting your effort so they can out 0 effort in.
You floated that philosophy, defended it, then backpedaled when called out. Saying you “never fully adhered” doesn’t erase the contradiction it just proves it.
Insults aren’t arguments. If that’s all you’ve got, you’ve already lost the point.
Then you’re fine with forcing the rest of the group to carry them. That’s the outcome whether you admit it or not.
The sides are simple either you support removing dead weight or you don’t. You’ve argued both, and that’s the issue.
This is more than I would do! I would have let him die then kicked him!
100% Its not my job to carry deadweights especially ones that are trolling, grieifng and doing nothing to benefit the run!
Finally nice to agree on something instead arguing with each other for a change!
Can we vote kick this guy from the forums please.
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