You did the moment you queued for group content. End of discussion.
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I asked the computer to throw me into a group randomly, not you.
That’s not authoritarianism lol. That’s just democracy.
You can dress it up as “different philosophies,” but the moment you queue for group content, you’ve agreed whether you admit it or not to a shared experience with shared standards. A random group isn’t “no one’s group”; it’s everyone’s group for the duration of that run. That means your actions affect the other four people, and theirs affect you.
If you acknowledge that belligerent behavior is grounds for removal, then you’ve already accepted that there are group norms and expectations which means your “no one’s group” philosophy collapses the second you enforce them. You can’t claim total individual autonomy while also admitting there are situations where the group’s standards override your own. That’s not philosophical consistency that’s picking and choosing when accountability applies.
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A vote‑kick is the group deciding, by majority, whether someone stays or goes. You queued for group content, you agreed to group rules. Majority rule isn’t oppression it’s the fairest system possible when five strangers have to share the same space and succeed together.
Incorrect. I didn’t agree to conform to yours or the groups standards.
Both are saying the same thing.
Then for our sake, you better keep them to positive interactions.
I stated that I was breaking with my own philosophy even in that scenario. There goes your attempt to catch me in a supposed contradiction out the window.
But if it’s everyone’s group per your own words…
Whose rules?
Troll take from a troll with zero critical thinking skills or social skills.
Tell me have no agency at home, work or in your personal life without telling me.
The moment you queue for group content, you agree to operate within the group’s collective expectations that’s literally what “group” means in an MMO. You don’t get to opt out of that social contract while still benefiting from it.
No “no one’s group” and “everyone’s group” are not the same. One denies shared ownership, the other affirms it. Pretending they’re identical is just word‑games to dodge the point.
Exactly and that’s the group enforcing a standard. Which means you do acknowledge group norms exist, even if you won’t admit it outright.
Admitting you’d break your own philosophy is admitting your philosophy doesn’t hold up in practice. That’s not a “gotcha avoided,” that’s you confirming the contradiction.
Everyone’s rules the majority’s. That’s why vote‑kick exists. It’s not one person dictating terms, it’s the group deciding together. That’s democracy, not authoritarianism.
Resorting to personal attacks instead of addressing the argument is a pretty clear sign you don’t have a counterpoint. Agency in a group setting isn’t the same as total autonomy when you queue for group content, you agree to operate within the group’s collective framework. That’s not “having no agency,” that’s understanding how cooperative gameplay works. If you can’t separate constructive debate from name‑calling, that says more about your critical thinking than mine.
The majority of the groups rules.
Which they enforce through democratic kicking.
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Comment so unhinged I took psychic damage reading it.
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Still no excuse to twiddle your thumbs. Everyone has dps buttons.
Dunno what to tell you anymore.
Squirm, I guess.
Good thing I am the healer of my group so the ones squirming are the dps at the bottom of the chart.
Who came up with the group’s expectations?
You’ve made no real point.
And now we’re back to putting words in mouths.
Yeah, I said that from the start.
You ignorantly walked into the bear trap all on your own that was clearly visible in your pathway.
All 4 members simultaneously came to the decision as a hive mind?
The group itself that’s literally what majority rule is. When you queue for group content, you agree to operate within whatever standards the majority of that group sets for that run. That’s how cooperative play works.
Just because you can’t follow or accept the points I’ve made doesn’t mean they don’t exist. Dismissing them because they dismantle your position isn’t a counterargument it’s avoidance.
No words were put in anyone’s mouth. I’ve pointed out facts and logical consequences of your own statements. If those implications are uncomfortable, that’s on the argument, not on me.
Then you’ve admitted your philosophy doesn’t hold up in practice which is exactly the contradiction I pointed out. That’s not a win for you, that’s confirmation.
There was no trap just your own inconsistency laid bare. If you call that a trap, it’s because you walked yourself into it.
No hive mind needed 3 out of 4 agreed on the reason to kick. That’s a clear majority, and that’s how the system is designed to work.
Who came up with the group’s expectations?
The group simultaneously as a hive mind?
- When you queue for group content, you agree to group rules.
- Those rules are set by the group itself not one person.
- Majority decides if 3 out of 4 agree to kick the 5th person, that’s the decision.
- That’s not a hive mind it’s how majority rule works in every vote‑kick system.
- If you don’t want to follow group standards, don’t queue for group content.
Not sure why these matters to you anyway since you already said you don’t play MoP!
You’re refusing to answer the question.
Who came up with the group’s expectations?
Here’s your answer…
It’s what you continue to dance around because it hurts your entire stance…
it always starts as an initiative of an individual.
In my 16 years (OMG it’s been that long?!) of using RDF, I’ve never once seen anyone lay out a list of expectations in chat. They zone in, maybe say hello, buff up, and start pulling. Burning is just projecting their expectations on other people and assuming they agree.
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Who starts it is irrelevant, if the group agrees to it then it’s the majority opinion