Noob question on Afflic

Classes Warlock
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So I’m not trying to troll the warlock thread or anything, but I gotta ask.

So I see people say in forums how afflic is garbage for mythics but great for raids. First of all, is this actually true? Or is it just that afflic dps on sites like noxxic say it’s simming lower than other DPS and therefore is garbage?

And second- if it IS true that afflic is not good for mythics, is it because of DOT ramp up time? Where as raids have more bosses so it has adequate time for afflic dots to run their course?

I just ask cause I like afflic locks the most, and have for years. I just am trying to find info on it that’s all.

Thanks all!

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The general consensus is that Affliction is very subpar in mythics due to its kit revolving very VERY heavily around single target. Affliction can’t get enough dots up and ticking on multiple mobs fast enough to actually deal damage other classes can deal in a fraction of the time.

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Gotcha, thanks for confirming my suspicions. I’m still gonna start a lock soon anyway, it’s been too long since I gave them a chance!

Thanks again.

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Don’t use Noxxic. Ever. Use warcraftlogs, it gives information from the current raid, and how actual players are performing with the specs, not just how they sim. I suggest you use either 95th or 90th percentile.

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So I see people say in forums how afflic is garbage for mythics but great for raids. First of all, is this actually true? Or is it just that afflic dps on sites like noxxic say it’s simming lower than other DPS and therefore is garbage?

Yes, Affliction is great in raid, and terrible in M+ and PVP.

And second- if it IS true that afflic is not good for mythics, is it because of DOT ramp up time? Where as raids have more bosses so it has adequate time for afflic dots to run their course?

It’s a combination of dot ramp up time and lack of burst aoe. Affliction can do keys on fortified weeks because the dots have time to tick, but otherwise you’re better off playing demo (or another class entirely). Raids are different because bosses have more HP (and many of the fights also include plenty of adds or other targets to dot up, increasing your damage)

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I actually don’t use noxxic, which is why I sorta threw it under the bus in my post. I mean…theory is great and all, but half the time when you ask the community Who they feel is top DPS you get many different suggestions other than just elemental shaman.

But I’ll check out the site you suggested! Sounds promising.

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Play what you like, like me. you probably won’t get invited to anything above +5 cause of how toxic the groups are. Hell they decline 411 mages lol.

Don’t spam seed, one to apply corruption. Vile taint. And UA & agony the mobs.

But most important affliction is still funner than destro and demo :stuck_out_tongue:

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Oh I’ll never do high tier content. I only have time to play for about 1 hour at s time max, usually 30 minutes. Most people take 30 minutes just to get a group organized to do mythics let alone actually playing the dungeon/raid. I’m happy just being a regular questing/dungeon guy! So afflic is fine for me.

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If you do want to do higher keys though you can, just gotta make your own group :stuck_out_tongue:

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It isn’t toxic to not invite you to stuff you don’t have experience in.

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Sure it’s not the right word but literally the best mythic players out there get declined for 7s and 8s and that’s just ridiculous.

And I clear my 7 & non UNDERROT 8s but can’t get invited to 5s…

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There’s a lot of people who use IO who don’t understand what its for. I’m not a great m+ player but I can get into keys in my range on this guy and my warr because they’re linked. I haven’t linked my shadow priest yet and I can’t get into crap as DPS, but if i’m heals I’ll get into stuff I maybe shouldn’t be in.

There’s a lot of people who are 350-500 who require much higher for their low keys because they’re more or less looking for a carry. That’s the system. None of it is really toxic unless they’re whispering you to flame for applying.

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I know I messed up the wording the SYSTEM is toxic ;p

Or just misunderstood lol

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I can’t comment on the mythic and raiding, but here is what I think about why affliction has not been good for quite some time now. It takes too long to do damage. The spell priority system is way too long for the class. In the old days the priority was the same wither you had one mob or were mass pull farming. Today, affliction feels like another type mage. It lost that dot and tab target appeal it use to have.

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I would never advise taking VT over PS.

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Yeah, VT puts out pretty much the same AoE dmg as PS but is completely useless on ST.

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2 vile taints in the same pack out dps’s ps, with the amount of trash in mythic+ it’s not that hard to do in the higher keys.

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No. There’s no situation where vile taint is better than PS.

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Did I read outdated info :frowning: ??

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yup phantom is always the pick there was a time where Vile taint far outweighed both PS and even UA at one point for both AOE and single target.

but then it was nerfed and that caused that talent to die in both aoe and Single target worth.

Current state is PS over everything.