Because it lowers the amount of actual loot received. DErs can’t DE as often, as they used to to help get mats to Enchant for others. Now that Professions actually mean something, or even for Vendoring purposes, so players can get some extra gold.
Even loot distribution?
None. I even made a Post about not using Addons: https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/anyone-else-not-using-addons/319285
Even a great debate about being “old school” for using Addons, back in the day. But I still use none.
There’s your problem. You’re PuGging. PuGs are always bad.
Yes because you’re making the claim that that’s how Blizzard meant when they stated “you think you do, but you don’t”. Otherwise, it’s just your opinion and not actual fact, that that statement was directed at #nochangers.
Or perhaps, where I’m coming from isn’t fitting your’s?
again I sense you are trying to make a point but I fail to see it because addons were available throughout vanilla…some were even stronger then what we are aloud to have today…I think they should bring back some of them.
Proving yet again the same people that cried that Ulduar was to hard, and skills tree were to much, whined everyday that they didn’t have much time to play made retail what it is now.
Those people cried to go back to a classic experience, and the first thing they do is demand more content, abuse layering, and are crying because they want everything their way.
The player base not Blizzard, has ruined this game.
I honestly don’t buy the argument that adding non-vanilla elements to what is essentially supposed to be a re-release of vanilla will improve anything. As someone who started in vanilla (September of 2005, around the time Zul’Gurub opened), all of what you people are advocating? We didn’t have. And if Classic is intended to recreate the vanilla experience, albeit in a modern framework, we should not get it. Period.
The advocates for what is essentially “Classic Plus” I’ve been seeing here - all the arguments, and all the petty retorts trying to justify them, by insulting the people speaking against them - are comparing it to putting rims on your car. I see it differently; I see it as that scene from the 1989 Batman movie, with Jack Nicholson’s Joker “improving” the paintings at the museum.
So here’s a petty retort of my own: There’s a version of the game that has all the things you want. It’s called retail. Play it.
Again, this is how things were. And back then, you were lucky to find PuGs, at least any that could get past the first two bosses… of Blackrock Depths on the quest to get the damned attunements, 'memba those?
Nobody who wanted to raid back then ran with a PuG. The problem was, going with “proper” raiding guilds was hit-or-miss, because sometimes the guilds were run by idiots too, and those that weren’t were incredibly elitist and only ran the same group of people every single week. (Speaking from experience.)
When Classic was announced, I predicted that too many people would start looking at it the same way they do retail, and trying to play it the same way they do retail, and then crying to the forums about it when you find out you can’t. This is what we had in vanilla. When Blizzard has to come out and tell you people “this was not a bug” when you report it as such, it proves that you missed the point of Classic, which was to recreate - as best as possible in the modern framework - the vanilla experience. Nothing more.
Yet a week into Classic, private server players were on the forums saying content was to easy and they wanted raid encounters buffed like they were on private servers. This is after many of them “abused layering” to get to 60 quickly.
But yes it is the retail players asking for a barbershop that ruined the game
Actually, you get more loot with personal loot than master loot unless you’re in retail farming old dungeons.
It’s not only possible but likely to do an entire MC clear without getting a single item when you’ve got to roll against a ton of other people. With personal loot, over the course of 10 bosses, you basically will get at least one item per reset.
That’s what I’m talking about. I’m a Solo’r, and PL destroyed farming older dungeons. You get way less loot. That should’ve been an option instead of forced. I swear to God, if they add in PL, I quit!
I recall the devs, literally, responding: “no changes” to a myriad of suggested 'improvements ’
I agree Classic is Vanilla+ but those who followed the distinctions provided have 99% of the game they described. Classic was never going to mirror vanilla.
Not mirror, no - we didn’t have the Blizzard launcher and friend chat and what not back then, obviously - but as I said, recreate as much as possible even with all the advances of the past 15 years. (God, I feel old just thinking that, lol.)
