#Nochanges will kill classic

I do not understand the theology behind the nochanges crowd. It is literally insanity to have access to wow’s history and see the changes that diminished core aspects of the game that happened over time; which ultimately drove people like myself away from the game and just say no changes.

Meanwhile you want all of those changes to happen again so long as they were exactly the same changes that deteriorated the game in the first place, just because they were made during Vanilla, TBC, or Wrath. You DO want changes, but you are scared of wrong changes, yet you will accept historical wrong changes because it is a familiar pain you can understand.

Here is my anecdotal evidence based on history of a similar game everyone knows of. I played WoW in Beta, picked up the live copy in 2005 played to 2008 and also played Runescape from 2002-2011. I mention runescape because I want to talk about it for a moment. I played until they broke the game from what most considered the fundamental core of the game. They abandoned their principles in trade for fantastical brand new revamping of the entirety of how the game functioned in the past, quick un-rewarding grabbies and store-bought perks/cosmetics. This irreversibly destroyed the game’s core community and drove everyone away and has not recovered since.

Fast forward a few years and similar to what we are seeing with Classic, Jagex was pressured to release an old version of the game because of private old-school servers dwarfing their core player base. They decide to release an old version of the game after an overwhelming community polled consensus and old school runescape saw a massive surge of returned player base and even new faces. Fast forward over the course of another year and the player base had dropped from 70,000 active paying members to less than 17,000. A 76% crash in player base, REGARDLESS of introducing previously loved content or… lets cut this short. (PHASES).

Jagex had one of the worst track records, one of the worst community support/relationships I’ve ever seen in my life. Yet they were able to bite their tongue hold their ego, look back into the principles of why and what made the game the #1 Free to play MMORPG and developed NEW CONTENT in the SPIRIT OF THE OLD. The moment they did that, the numbers bounced back from 17,000 to 55,000 in under a month and never dipped below that even until now, many changes since, 4 YEARS LATER at 76,000… More than the initial release population cap hype.

This post has gone long enough. Stop being scared of blizzard, by doing nothing at all and repeating the mistakes of the past in fear of the possible future… you are killing the game yourself. Classic + is how to go forward post naxx.

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I gave up trying to talk sense to “No-changers” long ago. I’ve accepted Classic for what it is, an experience that’ll last me a year or two and be finished.

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Thats the thing though, we’ve already read the playbook, we trusted blizzard for years, we know how this story ends - in refail.

Nearly 10 years of constant missteps and ignorance by blizzard, activision buying them out and none of the original creators being on the current dev team all adds up to one simple thing - we CAN’T trust blizzard to develop a thing and would rather accept the known flaws than deal with new ones.

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This isn’t true.

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The #nochanges people wanted a pure vanilla experience. They got classic.
There are people, like myself, that want TBC and wrath in the same manner.
It’s not always about #nochanges. Stop pigeonholing everyone into that.

I’ve been wanting TBC again for years. In my mind, it was by far one of the best xpacs.

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And along with TBC came arenas, extreme class balancing for niche arena PVP, the deterioration of world PvP, daily hamster wheeling content, the irrelevance of previous content, and more. I enjoyed TBC too but it was a start of many losses to come.

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It’s not theology. We want to play the game we remember because 15 years worth of changes steadily morphed the game into something completely different.

Stop trying to turn the game into something else. There have already been more than enough changes. We don’t want to play YOUR version of the game.

If Classic+ is implemented, you can have whatever changes you can convince the devs to deploy. Until then, forget it.

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If there was only a + on the end of the thread title, it would be accurate.

Yes, we certainly hope we succeed in killing your Classic+ dream. You want the version of WoW you want, which has never actually existed, go to the General Discussion forum and ask for it. Quit trying to cannibalize real Classic for it.

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Classic devs have already said they want to hear our thoughts on the future of Classic. This is the appropriate forum, as evidenced by the fact that none of the Classic+ threads are ever moved to the general forum.

Sorry if that upsets you.

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#no changes won’t do anything to classic for at least a coupl e years, if ever. If/when we get to the end of classic, changes will be made…though the jury is out on whether classic will change itself or if something with a hard barrier will be accessible for people in classic.

Classic + is hilarious.

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We seem to agree on something :slight_smile:

So is repeating mistakes expecting a different outcome.

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Yeah because it’s not stupid at all to expect bum blizzard to make classic + actually good.

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Make up your mind, Galdor, have you accepted that you won’t get the version of “Classic” you want, or not?

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Main Game is Retail.

Classic is just a bonus game. Blizz wont make new content from a bonus game. They will only make new content for Retail. Stop dreaming. It wont happen.

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No. I just want no changes – right or wrong.

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So P1 forever?

No, just nothing that was never in Vanilla. We also should still be in P1. Moving far too quickly. Dire Maul should have hit around Christmas.

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Then it turns into nothing that was never in TBC, then Wrath…