No changes has always meant no changes outside of vanilla. You already know this and pretend otherwise.
But then again you have never once cared about an authentic vanilla wow.
The difference is what i want is still vanilla wow. What you want is not.
Neither do the people who want a frankenpatch but want to pretend that mixing versions of vanilla is still an authentic vanilla experience.
The changes you want to 1.12 are no more or less valid than anyone else’s regardless of what patch they come from.
No it’s not, you want to create a version of WoW that never existed in vanilla, hence not vanilla.
At least we want stuff that occured during vanilla. You want post vanilla garbage. Just like your arguments and logic. Garbage.
I think many would really opt for a patch to patch release authentic to the timeline, but know that’s really not possible. With the 1.12 framework #nochanges is inherently flawed but Blizzard is doing the best they can with some type of phased release for some content
Actually what i want is completely unrealistic and would never happen.
That is why i would settle for a frankenpatch.
What i WANT is a patch by patch progression. But go ahead and prove that did not happen. I dare you.
I just find it deliciously ironic being able to say #nochanges whenever someone who pretended to be no changes asks for a pre 1.12 change.
Don’t get me wrong you want certain changes to 1.12 and so do I and I would be happy to trade say 1.5 AV for better class balance. But until then #nochanges, accept no pretenders, 1.12 as is.
Yeah well again the difference is what i want makes vanilla more authentic. What you want is not.
You got class balance and look where that lead. Garbage retail. Why you want that crap in classic is beyond me.
I like catering to casuals and I think this sounds like a bad idea. More rank 14’s per week? Maybe? Everyone can eventually be rank 14 after 400 hours of PvP? No thank you!
Mixing various versions of vanilla isn’t authentic.
Once again the simple question is, did that combination every exist in vanilla? IF no then it’s not authentic.
If you’re talking about what in your opinion makes classic feel more authentic to you great, but then that’s just an opinion and everyone will have a different one.
What i want.
Go ahead. Tell me that what i want is not authentic
Someone had to do it.
Ok, just one more…
Patch by patch progression would indeed be authentic, we’re not getting that. We know we’re not getting that. We know we’re getting authentic 1.12, trying to change 1.12 is not authentic.
And yet you told me what k want is not authentic.
Thanks for lieing ziryus. Thanks for lieing.
What was asked for was classic wow. Not 1.12
Probably because you routinely post specific changes to 1.12 and not asking for progressive patches.
If you want progressive patches great, keep preaching that. As soon as you as for “1.12 but can we just change this one thing”, which you do advocate doing, you are asking for changes.
Third party forum lurker here.
Loved the read, particularly the part where you cornered him into a logical corner.
Except he hasn’t all he’s done is proof that what I want is authentic. not what he wants
The reason why I fight for changes to 1.12 is because all they advertise it as the base of the game not the end-all-be-all and frankly I know getting past regression is unrealistic so I will fight for what I can get
Right so you want changes to what would actually be an authentic 1.12 vanilla experience. It really doesn’t matter why, you want to change an authentic experience into something that never existed in vanilla, you know just like everyone else who wants changes.
It’s called a compromise, I know I won’t get patch progression so I will fight for what I think might be attainable. But you would not understand that
Is this the thread where we misrepresent what #nochanges is?
Guess what:
Patch progression = #nochanges
Static 1.12 = #nochanges
Frankenpatch = #nochanges
Asking for a version of anything that occurred within vanilla falls within #nochanges. 15 man UBRS? Sure. 1.1 classes? Sure, not that many would want it. 16 debuffs? Just fine and dandy. This is Frankenpatch, and it fits #nochanges even though it’s not authentic. Because anything except true patch progression is going to be varying degrees of inauthentic from Vanilla.