After playing ret in a few dungeons leveling up it kind of seems like it would be a snoozefest in raids anyway, the only upside being getting a really good 2 hander from said raid and SoC RNG’ing people into oblivion in PVP
2 Likes
Your problem relates to the hybrid tax. It was a part of selecting a hybrid class, you were never going to be master of anything with a hybrid toon as that would instantly make hybrids the meta toons.
Druids and pallys have always wrestled with this ( and i suspect shamans too, but i never played horde ), its a choice you make, but dont expect others or the game to change just so you can meme spec for raids.
If you want to DPS in raids and improve you chances of getting frequent raids, roll a toon that is focused on dps.
6 Likes
You can either choose a pure damage class…and lead the meters–but you won’t have much utility.
or
You choose a hybrid, which can do EVERYTHING, just not top tier–but you bring a ton of utility.
You shouldn’t be able to do everything AND be the best at all of it.
Paladins are a great class in PVP IMO…which is way more fun and engaging than slamming your head against the keyboard while avoiding the one boss mechanic for each classic raid boss…
8 Likes
Play a warrior.
Retail
--------------------------------------->
This is for wow as it was. Not as you want it to be. Retail is wow as you wanted it, play pally there.
9 Likes
Which makes you awesome in 5 mans, but not terribly useful to raids where there are 39 other people that essentially always already have that utility covered.
1 Like
They were called lolret back in the day.
Some folks have this right. The hybrid classes support everyone and act as wipe prevention. This role of support has disappeared in the current game, but it is very much alive in Classic. Everyone is crowing since MC has fallen that Classic is easier than we remember. Maybe so, but let’s wait and see how guilds deal with Naxx before making any judgments. MC wasn’t difficult once you had the right elemental resistances. Naxx was impossible without any silly requirements.
I loved my classic Pally in 04
I was clueless and still had fun.
I didn’t raid because I had no time.
I did a lot of 5 mans as tank.
If you are clueless, like to have fun, don’t want to raid (unless Holy) and like tanking 5 mans.
Classic Pally is for you.
Seriously, they are FUN, but not raiders.
1 Like
Changing paladin to make it viable in raids is a great idea!
That’s why they did it. But this is Vanilla, before they made the decision to bring the player, not the class. Part of the point is that it’s not going to change.
3 Likes
Because you don’t go to a museum to re-write history.
4 Likes
Well, the original WoW was not balanced with strictly raiding in mind.
There are many facets of the game…raiding being 1 of them.
2 Likes
Well this is a living breathing world in 2019 that’s available to play as an alternative to retail. Having some changes to a great game and revamping/remastering should not be frowned upon. Why anybody wants to be locked into the 2004 version where balancing was heavily broken is beyond me.
I like classic in many ways and think it’s more fun than the insane-content-way-too-damn-busy-retail, but it could use some changes to make it feel the same but more fun and balanced. I am 100% for a Classic+ server or remaster of WoW with QoL changes.
2 Likes
Agree 100%. I seem to recall balance druids were supposedly OP in PvP since they could do moonfire spam.
Prob is that raiding is the thing where if a class/spec is bad at it, people get the most upset.
I wish that Blizz had done more to make “utility” valuable in raids. Like say random mobs sneaking up on you so you want 3 hunters running 3 different “detect” spells. Is what it is at this point, though.
1 Like
It is a living breathing world that is frozen in time.
You’re late to that party.
1 Like
Great example of how one persons “Quality of life” changes are infact a desire to homogenize classes and “update” the game.
We’ve already read this story, and it ends with Refail.
5 Likes
There’s actually a youtube video out there of a guy explaining how to make a viable raid dps ret paladin, I forget what it’s called or I’d go look for it right now. Bascally he says that if you have a whole bunch of on hit effects and every single possible consumable you are a competitive DPS with everyojne else, assuming they don’t put as much effort into maintaining their buffs as you do ( which is likely, it would be quite expensive to do this, and not worth doing just to keep up in dps)
That said, find a guild that is willing to at least try out a ret dps one evening. At the very least you’ll be able to keep up a judgement on the target.
Because some of us would prefer to stick with the Classic that we have rather than risk going down that all too familiar road of making balance changes to the classes.
Buffing the DPS of the healer’s damage builds starts causing other problems that needs to be addressed due to the design of how those classes worked in Vanilla.
It’s not necessarily that it will become exactly like retail, but in this case change begets more change.
and after a while, you’re left with something that’s not really Classic anymore.
2 Likes
I’m leveling a protection paladin.
The tanking is not too hard and threat generation is awesome, specially dans mage/cleave combos.
I just ask them to wait around 1.5 sec
The most I tanked in vanilla, was Onyxia (All phases, p1 can be tanked by a pet).
Yes to change.
I want my Crusade Strike and Avengers Shield.
1 Like
I’d agree, I’d love some of the changes that came with TBC and even WotLK and later, but I wouldn’t know where to draw the line to not turn in to the pile of garbage we have today. I don’t think anyone really knows where that line should be. We’d all put it in different spots (mine would probably be before the paladin holy power patch) So hard and fast classic wow is 1.12 (ish) and that’s it, and it’s something we can at least for now, enjoy together.