I see a third spec improving the game, more options and play styles is good. 1 new class every 6 years is slow and boring, people come back for new classes and new spec reworks…
Lore wise blizz can just make it up, they control the story so they can make it make sense. Maybe dh hunters had trouble fight8ng dragons with melee so they have a range combat unit or something.
But does the new spec need to be a demon hunter?
There is a time for making stuff up, and a time for sticking with the good story you already have. Why make stuff up if it will make the story worse instead of better? Demon Hunters currently have a very good story, one of the best in WoW: We were elite commandoes trained by Illidan for an assault on Argus at a time when he was the only leader who understood the true threat posed by the Legion. The mission, heck even the transformation to become a demon hunter, were essentially suicide efforts, so he recruited from those desperate enough to sign up for such - those who had lost their families and their homes to the Legion invasion. The physical transformation required killing a demon and eating its heart; 90% of recruits did not survive this. Of those who survived, half killed themselves when they realized what they were becoming - they either jumped off the walls of Black Temple, or they went postal and had to be put down by their fellow Illidari. Those who persevered were trained in a particular combat style suited to their new abilities. We were drilled relentlessly without knowing exactly what for, but we had lost everything and saw Illidan as our only shot at revenge. The rest of the world did not understand us; Black Temple was invaded and Illidan killed. We were captured and imprisoned in the Vault of the Wardens until the world got desperate enough to realize we had been right all along.
Why would you dilute this rich history just to make a fel version of your bow hunter?
Demon Hunters were not fighting dragons. Have you read “Illidan”? How much do you really know about our history? Demon Hunters were given new powers by Illidan’s transformation process, and trained in a new martial art style that would capitalize on those powers.
Should’ve gave dh 3 hero talent specs useable by both specs.
Chaos, Physical (Bleeds/dot) and Combo strikes
Demon hunters are in dragonflight right now. Have ypu played dragonflight there are dragons
The lore is irrelevant. Blizz can make up whatever they want to fit their narrative. I mean clearly, we have lightforged warlocks.
What is relevant is that the current class tree makes zero sense in any ranged version of dps, and even less sense as a support or healer. In order for a 3rd spec, Blizz would have to completely redo the entire class tree, otherwise it will still have to be a melee spec, which isn’t happening. And they certainly aren’t redoing the entire class tree.
In short, enjoy the two specs or reroll.
You should tame some demon-themed pets and enjoy them. If Blizz gives us new specs in TWW, they are not likely to be DHs with bows. But hey, get yourself some demon pets and you can pretend! Have fun with that.
Might not be this expac but it will likely happen st some point in the mext couple of expacs
Neither of us is running Blizz, but I think it is highly unlikely. We’ve had 3 xpacs since Legion, and not once have they suggested there will ever be a 3rd spec for Demon Hunters. We are perfect as we are. Less can be more.
My secret wish is that they add a heal spec. It’d be weird, and i would play it.
It really feels bad though. It’s the only class with 2.
Anyone saying that the class tree has no synergy with a third spec severely lacks any form of creativity or critical thinking.
Adding a third spec would, of course, bring about changes to the class tree, so it’s really a moot point. Honestly, it is the very least of concerns if you would want to even consider it a concern. It is not the big third-spec-idea-busting-arguement you think it is.
A third spec would be healthy for the game for many reasons. Talking a bow-wielding spec specifically, it would help to balance out the loot table around bows. It would add a choice in dps spec in case Havoc isn’t doing too well. As a main Priest, I understand what it’s like not having another option if healing isn’t my thing. For some, tanking isn’t theirs. It’s a win for Blizzard because of course with the introduction of a new spec, you will get an influx of interest, and they don’t have to build a new class, just build off the base of an existing one.
Who has suggested this? In several posts, including my own advocating for a bow spec, not once did I see someone ask for demon pets.
the class shouldnt get a 3rd spec when it can hardly support 2
I notice you didn’t provide a single recommendation on how you’d make a third spec and have it work with the existing class tree since the entire thing revolves around being in melee range. The sheer hypocrisy of people who post on these forums is astounding.
No range. Demonhunters are not warlocks. You want a fel caster, go warlock.
Demonhunters are spellblade supersoldiers juiced up on fel.
The lack of reading comprehension on these forums is astounding.
People can say that a ranged spec “doesn’t work with the class tree” as much as they want, it doesn’t make it true. It is incredibly well set up to work with a ranged spec. I have more abilities in the Priest class tree that are next to worthless as Shadow than the DH tree has that would not be optimal for a ranged spec. You want to talk about it, let’s entertain your assertion.
Between all the Sigil and Throw Glaive talents (both ranged, btw), buffs to Fury and Movement speed, ways to pop into combat with Felblade or the Hunt, to set off a Chaos Nova, and hop right back out with Vengeful Retreat, ranged CC with Imprison and ranged Consume Magic, there’s absolutely nothing that makes the class tree not ideal for a ranged spec. “The entire thing revolves around being in melee range” is laughable.
Does Vengeance have a couple of talents specifically catered to them just like every other tank or healer spec has in their class tree? Absolutely. Would they need to tweak Disrupt for it to work for the ranged spec? Absolutely.
You are very welcome to provide examples of how you think the class tree is an issue for a ranged spec. In fact, please do. So many people are parroting this same concern and have yet to provide any support to their claim.
Edit: Went ahead and filled out the class tree for a ranged spec. No surprise, there are some flex points depending on what utility you want to have.
https://imgur.com/a/HpNbNNJ
Doesn’t change the fact that DHs don’t need a 3rd spec. We are perfect the way we are. Went by Black Temple to have another look: lots of DHs being trained; none of them have bows.
Pretty clear that Blizz thinks the same. It’s been several expansions since Legion came out. Not even once has Blizz suggested they plan to add more DH specs.
That is a very, very subjective opinion. Not fact.
Ace Hunter Kreen.
This is always the case with anything ever added to the game. It’s not suggested they plan to do it until they announce that they plan to do it.
Class tree:
Shattered souls - melee
Charred warblades - melee
Nova - melee
Felblade - melee
Aura of pain - melee
Live by the glaive - melee
Soul rending - melee
Infernal armor - melee
Demonic - melee
Collective anguish - melee
The hunt - melee
All melee… It’s almost as if the class is designed to be melee. Again, you failed to, once again, provide any semblance or shred of logic as to how this class tree could work with range without a complete rework. You call out reading comprehension, but yet you continually fail to grasp you haven’t provided one logical point to comprehend.
And let’s not even touch just how dumb it is to whine about someone’s opinions, when all you’ve provided is your opinion. Forums indeed.
"Lore
Ace Hunter Kreen is unique to Hearthstone".
I’ll grant you that’s something. Hearthstone is loosely related to WoW. I will reserve judgment on Kreen until we know more. Maybe he’s from some alternate timeline/universe?
Shattered Souls - Not even an ability on the class tree… tf? lol if you mean Shattered Restoration, healing is good for everyone, not just melee
Charred Warblades - Heals for all fire damage you deal. Fire damage… not melee
Chaos Nova - Psychic Scream? Void Tendrils? Shadowfury? Frost Nova? shall I go on? Thunderstorm? a stop or root centered around a ranged caster is not an anomaly at all
Felblade - movement / damaging ability with a 15 yd range that generates Fury… sounds like it’s good for whoever likes fury, doing damage, and mobility
Aura of Pain - it’s more crit… good for any dps. The real issue is how Immolation Aura is designed to work for a ranged spec, this ability buffs it either way
Live by the glaive - tank ability preceded by another tank ability (it’s okay to have tank abilities for the tank spec, you wouldn’t take them as melee dps either)
Soul Rending - lol what? you think this is melee? Leech works regardless of how you deal damage… or healing even lol and meta, just like for the two specs we have currently, would have unique abilities tied to the spec. I really don’t understand how you came to the conclusion that this was melee only
Infernal Armor - increases armor and does damage to melee attackers, very much a tank ability. if taken as a dps, you get the 10% armor bonus regardless if you’re melee or ranged
Demonic - just as Havoc has Eye Beam, and Vengeance has Fel Devestation, and this ability works for both… common sense would tell you it would also work for the similar ranged spec specific ability. Again, in no way is this a melee ability
Collective Anguish - I’m beginning to think that it never occurred to you that a ranged spec would have a spec specific version of Eye Beam / Fel Devastation. Just like how the other two specs have a spec specific version of it. Not melee in any way
The Hunt - 50 yd range. Let me say that again. 50. yd. range. Probably not the best choice of capstone for ranged as the other two allow you to stay at range, but it’s okay that not every capstone is ideal for every spec. I would never path through all the healing nodes to pick up Power Word: Life as Shadow. It’s just fine to have a capstone that IS good for melee specifically.
Again, you can say it however much you like, you can even make a list and just put “melee” off to the side of whatever ability you want, it doesn’t make it true. You say “all melee” but conveniently left out all the ranged Sigil and Throw Glaive talents, I’ll repeat myself and say the ranged CC ability, the ranged magic dispel, and of course, Vengeful Retreat, which very specifically creates space between you and your enemies.
And let me say it again, a new spec would of course, bring about some amount of changes to the class tree. Whether that’s a couple of tweaks or several, though it doesn’t really need it. People act like every class didn’t just get these class trees this expansion and received numerous overhauls.
So did you just skip over that whole paragraph? Or do you not understand how calling out talents that work for ranged supports a claim that the tree works for ranged? We’re here to help, just let us know where you’re struggling to understand.
I’m not going to sit here and pretend to think you know what the burden of proof fallacy is, but people making the assertion that the class tree doesn’t work for ranged while providing absolutely no evidence that it doesn’t, then claiming that others have to prove that it does, is a perfect example of it.