No sub buffs but the next best thing

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Assa nerfs boys.

Deadly brew removed. GG reroll outlaw. Or spec into wound poison or shiv. Get rekt.
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What in particular is holding sub back from being a top-tier spec? Only asking because I was recently 100-0'd by one, and it sure didn't seem weak while they were doing it.

Then again, I am a non-orc/human monk. There's a long list of things that 100-0 me in stuns right now.
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11/13/2018 04:41 PMPosted by Jao
What in particular is holding sub back from being a top-tier spec? Only asking because I was recently 100-0'd by one, and it sure didn't seem weak while they were doing it.

Then again, I am a non-orc/human monk. There's a long list of things that 100-0 me in stuns right now.

Its not bad. The caveat being if you get really good rng, have played it for years, and know every classes cds to know what fights you can win and when you need to run. It has no sustained atm. It has burst but its not nearly what it should be. The only time it has kill potential is when the target is 60-70% health or when shadowblades are up and you get some lucky crits.

Typically sub rogue should have 100-0 potential every minute to force a cd or a trinket. But its more like ever 2-3 minutes its got kill potential. Thats fine but it makes playing assa easier cus you have kill potential every 30secs with kidney tb double envenom.
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sub doesnt need a buff lol
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11/13/2018 04:50 PMPosted by Garbagedisc
sub doesnt need a buff lol


Exactly lol Sub is perhaps too strong but the fact there are super broken specs out there like Boomkins, Sin rogues, Mages, DH.

Sub just isn't a Fotm and we don't want them to be.
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11/13/2018 04:50 PMPosted by Garbagedisc
sub doesnt need a buff lol


11/13/2018 04:50 PMPosted by Garbagedisc
sub doesnt need a buff lol


How sway its getting nerfed again in 8.1.
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Redesign sub
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11/13/2018 05:00 PMPosted by Vãrick
Redesign sub

More of a buff eviscerate guy myself but that works too. 1 minute dance and scary damage is better.
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11/13/2018 05:26 PMPosted by Saltmasterx
11/13/2018 05:00 PMPosted by Vãrick
Redesign sub

More of a buff eviscerate guy myself but that works too. 1 minute dance and scary damage is better.


Sorry.

Fix Stealth
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11/13/2018 04:55 PMPosted by Abombanation
11/13/2018 04:50 PMPosted by Garbagedisc
sub doesnt need a buff lol


Exactly lol Sub is perhaps too strong but the fact there are super broken specs out there like Boomkins, Sin rogues, Mages, DH.

Sub just isn't a Fotm and we don't want them to be.


Your posts are like always slanted against mages and rogues
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sub needs buffs because when you compare it to Assa it seems unplayable

The biggest buff to sub will be a much needed nerf to Azerite Fortification
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11/13/2018 04:49 PMPosted by Saltmasterx
Typically sub rogue should have 100-0 potential every minute to force a cd or a trinket


100-0 is not kill potential lmao 100-0 i gross yeah sub should have really good damage but i dont think every minute a sub rogue should have 100-0 potential to "force a cd or trinket" what is your idiot mage doing if you're 100-0 every minute

i dont think any cooldown in the game short of bubble/block would be a viable trade for 100-0 every minute potential from the rogue alone lmao
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I feel we would be in an ok spot with vendors tbh.
All I want is mastery gear
But blizzard thinks all I need haste gear

Srs
I do ok dmg for a few seconds when procs send my mastery over 80%
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11/13/2018 06:39 PMPosted by Nostalgic
100-0 is not kill potential lmao 100-0 i gross yeah sub should have really good damage but i dont think every minute a sub rogue should have 100-0 potential to "force a cd or trinket" what is your idiot mage doing if you're 100-0 every minute


I don't think he means "rogues should kill people 100-0 every minute"

I think what he meant is, with a 1 minute cooldown like Shadow Dance, in the right situation (no defensve cooldowns, clean DRs, no peels) Sub Rogue should be capable of bringing a target from 100-0.

The same as every other class. ((This isn't to say all classes can do this; subtlety isn't the only badly designed class+spec))

Not Sub rogue uniquely. All classes have their own damage windows. I think he's just asking for subtlety to perform better in theirs, and as a trade off to have a more clearly defined window, (1 minute dance cd) rather than PvE CDR dance charges no damage outside of dance stunbot for your mage partner.

Well, I could be wrong.
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exactly what I meant
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smh why blizz
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I think Subs slow should be 50%. That would go a long way with helping it in PVP.
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11/13/2018 06:37 PMPosted by Sbgoaty
sub needs buffs because when you compare it to Assa it seems unplayable

The biggest buff to sub will be a much needed nerf to Azerite Fortification


No thanks Fort is great to punish people from trying to not let you play your character. If they CC to much it's a good counter.

Sin rogues just need a 30% dmg nerf then it's more in line with Sub.
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11/13/2018 07:41 PMPosted by Zveno
smh why blizz
You know why. Everytime I play sin I feel disgusting
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11/13/2018 04:41 PMPosted by Jao
What in particular is holding sub back from being a top-tier spec? Only asking because I was recently 100-0'd by one, and it sure didn't seem weak while they were doing it.

Then again, I am a non-orc/human monk. There's a long list of things that 100-0 me in stuns right now.


Because they shadow dance dump all their dmg and cds to do 40% of your health. Youre not gettin 100-0d by sub rogues themselves this is same reason they took huge nerfs. The fire mage and disc dumping dmg into the kidney you sit while rogue goes to double cheap your partners is whats 100-0ing you.