Never read so much, that actually contained so little.
I can’t tell if this was on purpose as satire making fun of another argument?
Not satire. The completely illogical argument that #somechanges somehow proves dual spec is an included change has been trotted out so often I thought it would be good to point out exactly why it is a completely false argument.
Simple intuitive responses have been offered and brushed aside by the pro dual spec brigade so often that we have to break everything down to basic units to get through to you.
Simply put.
Opposition the dual spec is not a no change position.
The fact that our reasons for opposing it aren’t important to you does not mean they’re not important to us.
As you want the change you need to convince us of it - or more importantly - Blizzard.
I get a bit sick of completely illogical arguments being presented as “facts” when the only thing holding them up is pure sophistry and baseless assertions - because you want it. Not just ‘you’ but you in a general sense of how this topic is being discussed on these forums.
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I’ve spoken to a fair few folks in-guild who say they would have rolled an entirely different class if dual spec were in from the get, and they weren’t even a druid.
That’s a pretty serious implication for a decision to simply add in after the fact.
This will not be assisted (much).
The reason PvP participation is bad is mostly because of Blizzard’s crap-tastic handling of it (with the retail-style arena rating and very poor choices in terms of honor gear-availability/cost), and of course the elephant in the room: queue times.
Horde make up the vast majority of all PvPers in TBCC, and have been unable to farm any gear up until recently, which caused a lot of people to “no ty” PvP for pretty much most of or all of P1. No gear, makes arena un-fun, and so…naturally, there’s low participation.
As Nethaera said back then in 2007 (and not much has changed, PvP is still a much less popular activity to engage with in WoW in all its forms), the number of people who would dedicate their 2nd spec to PvP and would contribute to bringing PvP “back to life” is actually not significant enough to take action on.
I totally feel for you here though. You’re a horde, for who knows whatever circumstance, your queue times have been crap since forever and Blizzard has made a damn mess out of PvP so far this expansion. I definitely get where you’re coming from.
It definitely does not sound like a benefit to me, the actual druid.
Now on any given fight where ranged is favorable to melee, I’m now under pressure to respec and play a spec that I don’t enjoy nearly as much. In the current system, that pressure is non-existent because nobody expects me to hearth out and respec given the restrictions involved.
With dual spec, I’ll be seen as lazy or just not a team player by wanting to stay feral for such fights when the option is there.
That doesn’t sound like a benefit. That actually sounds horrible and like I stated earlier, may have contributed to me ultimately rolling a completely different class so as to close the door on such possibilities occurring.
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Dual spec is coming whether you like it or not. Deal with it.
People decided not to play a class they would rather play if the freedom of dual spec existed.
This sounds more like an argument for dual spec than against it tbh.
We made a choice under circumstances.
It doesn’t mean we dislike the choice, but if you change the circumstances, it changes the nature of the original choice.
The concept of that is annoying, nothing to do with regretting the class-pick inherently.
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I mean, truthfully it probably isn’t. Unfortunately the only way this affects me if that I have to endure less Arena Participation during raid progression.
People would probably skip farming primals or even skip doing optional quests if they didn’t need the gold. Then there’s be less stuff happening in the open world.
You see how seemingly small changes to intentional game constraints can effect how the game plays.
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Do you really trust blizzard not to bork up TBC even further?
It’s a fair question.
I trust that they won’t bork it up 100%.
If they bork it up 99.9% of the way, but manage to not add dual-spec and prevent it from being 100%, it’s worth arguing against people who want it.
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You really do have some issues don’t you?
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I dunno, do I?
Are you about to diagnose me over the WoW forum? What’s your credentials?
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The case for an arena spec is probably the only one that seems valid to me tbh. As Arena has its own seperate rulesets anyway. The whole content of arena is fully instanced with seperate rules to the wider game.
It has low participation and it really comes down to whether Bliz want to drive up participation.
I do. And yes, you have issues.
Citation needed…
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No, it really isn’t needed. It is obvious to everyone.
It’s pretty sad, I haven’t found anything else like WoW arena and it is becoming harder and harder to play.
Right-o, chap.
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I used to be so much more in to WoW PvP during my heavy-gameplay days.
I realized that, PvP-wise, there was so much more reward to be felt from winning in actual competitive games, like MOBA, or FPS. WoW just feels like a joke in comparison now-a-days (though I still find PvP fun for it’s own charms).
Is MMORPG PvP the only kind that has suited you up to this point in your, uh, gamer “career”?
Admitting you have issues is the first step towards recovery. I’m proud of you. If you can get past the pathological lying thing you will be surprised how much better life can be.