Tell me, if you swap from spec A to spec B, did you just swap talents away from what spec A was and now are benefitting from talents of spec B?
Is that not swaping talents? Even if it’s to a presaved talent build it is still shaping talents.
The Primary purpose is so that player feel like they dont need to keep respec’ing for diferent roles or kinds of content.
Again, key word here is so they don’t feel like they need to keep respec’ing. Also, this is wotlk, NOT TBC. The point being, is even during that post, they said they are working on the feature and would like to get it in for the next major patch which means they were still debating even bringing it into the game.
3 Likes
Adding dual spec directly effects the rate and use of the 50g respec because because change creates a workaround of that system. Thus it effects that system and is a change to the talent system and how it functions. This means dual spec is a change imposed on the restrictions of changing talents which is what the 40g respecs are for. Because of this dual spec is a change that is attached to and effects the 50g respecs.
10 characters
1 Like
The community has changed, you’d know this if you played the game.
Min-maxing is rampant throughout the entire community. Virtually no one plays Arena or raids in a subpar spec. It’s expected of players to be optimal. I want the people who keep this game alive by participating in multiple facets of the game (PvE and PvP) to not be punished with 100g of respecs every single time they go from one type of content to the other.
People aren’t choosing to farm for that gold, they’re simply quitting the game. Mostly the Arena side of the game from what I can see. People want to play Arena without having an hour gold farm session attached to it every single time they need to setup the appropriate spec.
Do you think it’s healthy for someone who wants to play Arena multiple times a week, as well as raid or do dungeons, to have to farm for 2-5 hours every single week for the next year? While someone who only raids doesn’t have to farm, EVER?
1 Like
I do play the game, I still play the game because Vanilla, TBC and Wotlk were my favorite parts of wow. I wanted to play the game AS IT WAS. Not OG with #somechanges version of the game.
So what if the playerbase has changed. That’s not the point. The point is we BEGGED Blizzard for 15 years to give us the ability to play the game AS IT WAS. Not some amalgamation of what it was, AS IT WAS.
Period.
Edit:
People aren’t choosing to farm for that gold, they’re simply quitting the game. Mostly the Arena side of the game from what I can see. People want to play Arena without having an hour gold farm session attached to it every single time they need to setup the appropriate spec.
That’s not on us, the player base, that’s on them for being lazy. Farm the gold, get the respec. It’s not that hard. You are being lazy because you don’t want to farm for the gold and you want it to be just given to you so that you can change freely as needed to avoid the way the game was built.
7 Likes
You already lost that battle. Might be time for you to look elsewhere to get your “No-changes” TBC fix.
No. NO. The begging was for Classic Vanilla. You don’t get to move the goalposts to TBC, WoTLK and whatever else you feel like ruining going forward.
Go find a private server with your awful #NoChanges philosophy in place. You and the other 10 people who share your sentiment can all play together.
No I haven’t. But nice try though
3 Likes
No dual spec in TBC!
2 Likes
Whether there exists a discussion outside this forum is up for discussion. 
The state of WoW Classic server right now just goes to show how rigidly the #NoChanges crowd really is. Wonder why these folks don’t just return there? It’s everything they want WoW to be!
How is it not hysterical that the argument these entitled players are trying to make is to invoke the slippery slope? These very same people who for years said it was a fallacy, now use it to justify adding more changes to the game. You can’t make this stuff up. 
4 Likes
The slippery slope is 100% a complete and utter logical fallacy, as used by the “people” on this forum.
It doesn’t matter how many changes the players use to justify other changes, because Blizzard doesn’t make changes to the game like that. The slippery slope is a fallacy, because the players aren’t developing the game.
Astounding.
It sounds like you may need to optimize your schedule of in game activities to not be playing tbcc as if it’s retail.
Chose 2 nights for raid, the rest for pvp, you can get away with a pvp spec for doing heroics as long as you have the proper gear for it.
Or you can chose the social aspect to fix this problem. Get your guild to pool 5g a week per member to help the respec costs for your tanks and healers (assuming you are one of those) to be used when you change specs to tank heroics for them or raid tank.
There’s options to help offset the costs if you refuse to get out of retail habits of playing what you want when you want, vs tbc way if playing which is scheduling what spec you will be and when to reduce gold costs, example raid Tuesday Wednesday, pvp spec the rest of the week, or pvp for 2 days and heroic spec for the rest of the week, or whatever combination you chose to reduce gold costs on respecs.
The problem you may be facing is you’re trying to play tbcc as if it’s retail.
Yet you’re using other changes as justification for adding dual spec…
When it’s part of the pro changes reason for making a change the slippery slope fallacy isn’t a fallacy because you are trying to justify more changes because of past changes made.
6 Likes
Good News! 1.4 more years and you can!
You’re welcome
All the cool kids parrot that, and you can too!
Amazing.
Hypocrites gonna hypocrite….
4 Likes
#NoChanges people would rather watch the game die than put in good changes to make the players happy. Absolute psychopaths spewing the same non-sense go back to retail arguments without any critical thought about actually improving the game and retaining a player base. #NoChanges people are horrible for the game. Enjoy watching Blizzard add boosts, bad arena changes, and game tokens soon to absolutely destroy the game while you cry about not adding dual spec to actually improve the game. HAHAHA!
allowing players to essentially play two heroes in one removes other players from ever entering the equation. retaining the player base by allowing more solo play doesn’t seem to be the correct action. Removing alts will promote more player mmo interaction, as one player can’t do everything for themselves. they will be forced to quit or work with others.
We should also remove the gold cost of respec’s with a time gate. Only one respec per week, but free of charge.
No, I’m not.
Nobody is saying that’s how Blizzard designs or considers implementation…
However when the people on the forum use it, that actually is a slippery slope fallacy.
When a person says “they already did this, so they might as well do that”, it is conceptually a fallacious slippery slope argument for the inclusion of dual spec. It doesn’t actually argue the merits of why TBCC should be so crudely disfigured by its addition, all it does is say that since their were other changes they should go ahead and do it.
Now that isn’t to say people haven’t attempted to argue the merits of dual spec honestly. It does have merit as a feature, and that’s why it eventually got implemented in WOTLK…
…so that’s likely when you will get to use it.
4 Likes