Yup. Every class you run into in pvp will be playing the exact same spec. Every class you group with in pve will be playing the exact same spec. No more choices to excel at one part of the game or another. Nope just switch to the optimal spec for every occasion.
Yeah, that won’t affect the game at all…
Oh my God, I didn’t even think about that. I will be walking to the entrance every boss to summon someone that had to be summoned to Orgrimmar or Thunder Bluff and swap talents. Warlock alts will become mandatory for summons to and from trainer since hearth is on 15 minute cool down. Stop the madness
Lol every group requires a warlock and everyone must have at least 1 warlock toon high enough level to summon. People will be kicking people because they can’t log their “summon lock”.
Maybe your experience is different than mine, but most everyone who does pvp that I encounter have almost identical builds already, save perhaps a few points. Similarly for pve. They just don’t swap as often to do the other activity perhaps partly due to the barrier of respecializing, though this likely isn’t the only factor.
I don’t see how a limited dual spec would harm talent diversity. Could you explain more? I don’t see much talent diversity with the current system.
I wouldn’t even say it really helps the tank and healer pool.
If you don’t want to play a healer now, you won’t want to play a healer with dual spec.
The only thing it will generate is those wannabe tanks that say “let me change speccs really quick and I’ll tank H-BF for you” and then appear non def capped an cause a wipe parade…
most everyone who does pvp that I encounter have almost identical builds already, save perhaps a few points
For warlocks, PvP and PvE specs are way different. In PvE spec, I might be able to do a lot of DPS, but I’m also cannon fodder since I’ll get one shotted by any competent rogue or warrior and have almost nothing in my repertoire to defend myself.
To be able to change that on a whim would skew everything, especially on PvP servers.
You don’t seem to understand. The inconvenience of changing talents is by design. This isn’t a bug. This isn’t something that existed due to the technology constraints of the time. It’s what the devs wanted. This is how TBC worked. Choices matter. You make sacrifices. That is the intent of the game’s design…back then. So unless Blizz just wants to completely abandon the design philosophy of TBC, don’t expect dual spec. But it’ll be there in Wrath where it belongs.
We know all about that. Had a port palli swap to holy for MT the other day then he complained because bear doesn’t have consecration but he dumped consecration on every pack. It was a complete mess. And that’s with the cost attached, if they get it for free? No, there should be consequences to changing your mind on what way you want to play your Toon. This is supposed to be TBC not Cata
I agree completely. We’re either Demi God or playing the WRONG spec in PvP. SL/SL is nasty.
Those are examples of how it will be used but can you explain how that impacts the balance? There is no implementation of multi-specs in any version of WoW where you can change specs while in Combat so I’m not sure how you draw a correlation between your points and them impacting the overall balance.
The game was also designed around a 400ms batching of all abilities used by one unit on another, different unit.
Are you advocating for the reimplementation of 400ms batching?
If you’re unfamiliar with Feral Druid they can already do this just by changing gear since there is very minimal difference between the Cat DPS spec and Bear Tank spec.
I’m not sure I follow this part here. People are already respecing as it is and with a mage portal + warlock or summon stone it takes about 2min total to respec mid raid. You’re talking about people doing what they’re already doing but it will take 90s less and that will somehow break the balance of the game? 90 seconds?
I literally respec to tank High King inside Gruuls lair on my mage and I immediately teleport and respec back to Fire to DPS on Gruul. During this time 2 people go outside to summon me while the raid group continues to clear trash. Does the 3 minutes it takes me to do this break the balance if it takes me the cast time of a spec change?
People are doing this right now, I am literally doing this right now. Is the game broken?
Nothing you said has anything to do with class balance.
This is already true. Anyone who runs in PvE with some weird PvP Fire build as a Mage, simply doesn’t do even remotely good damage and will be shunned from groups. I don’t get why people act like meta builds aren’t widely known and socially enforced already.
The biggest impact I see this having is in casual BGs, where you’ll find a lot less use of pure PvE specs, but it won’t really be noticeable since BGs are the casual PvP mode already, so play and care about winning and so forth will dramatically overshadow whether or not the Feral Druid has Nurturing Instinct.
Yes, and straight from GC’s own mouth, this inconvenience was considered detrimental at the end of TBC hence its destruction in Wrath, because rather than go through the song and dance of seeking out a trainer in some odd neck of a capitol city, redoing talents, redoing action bars, etc, to go do BGs or Arenas or 5mans, people just… wouldn’t. Despite the price tag of Dual Specialization, it simply was more appealing to be able to swap specs out of combat than it was to pay a fee each and every time you wanted to do it, not even counting screw-ups and redos.
No one makes sacrifices. People specialize. The end. Dual spec just enables that specialization to exist in two areas rather than one, opening up more play.
This.
Being able to sometimes be a Tank and then other times be a Caster, but never at the same time, doesn’t impact balance whatsoever.
For crying out loud, DRUIDS HAVE BUILT-IN ROLES BY DEFAULT AND WE ARE NOT KINGS OF ALL CONTENT SIMULTANEOUSLY. People in this thread are acting like if every class has the ability to out of combat alter their role or setup, which is exactly what a Druid can do with a mere gear and form swap, it just utterly breaks the game balance.
Use your heads people.
Dual spec would also be open to said Feral Druid. Feral Druid can switch to “DPS” but would be limited to Cat DPS and would still be wearing his “Tank” items.
Melee DPS and Hunters will enjoy those benefits, but what if you wanted to give your casters Moonkin Aura and Improved FF from Balance?
What if you just wanted to heal?
Perhaps I was unclear. I meant that the fact that feral druids can easily switch between tanking and dps is a unique part of their kit which adds some value to the class, which might be reduced if every class could switch from tank to dps easily.
To be honest, I wasn’t aware that going all the way back to respec for some encounters is already common practice. To the extent that it is, dual specs wouldnt really affect balance it seems to me, but just make this behavior easier and more convenient.
I don’t think the problem is that it would make the game easier. Hardcore raiders really won’t be affected much. At most it will slow them down.
But it will have an affect on raid metas, loot distribution, and create extra pressure on certain classes/specs.
This is, by far, distorted towards the “no changes” crowd.
There are also a million tiny things that are changed that nobody notices or seems to care about, such as how minimap tracking works.
I’m also salty AF that they’ve completely muddied things up with PvP balance. We have rating requirements from later stages of TBC during P1, we have 2.4.3 talents, but our gear available overall is not conforming to that nor is the cost of non-arena gear conforming, making trying to PvP and build a proper set a slog. Not only that, you can use cheesy/exploity tactics like rocket boots with the flag still, something that was changed in 2.3. And yet, us Warlocks can’t summon people into instances, something that was changed at the very start of TBC.
Here, it looks like you need a refill, 
You’re welcome 
oh, and really, I’m not worth stalking. Or maybe you hold a grudge about whatever…
I know you are but what am I?
Who said anything about quitting? You’re just being hyperbolic. But yes, I disagreed with those changes, too.
A DURID!
I hated durids. They’re like druids but more durable.
Not all are durable! Just the Bare ones!
And just because there are a lot of people unaware of the epicness that is durid: