No scaling = fun

Their guild is called shadow Legion PVP so that should say alot about their stance.
probably rarly solo pugs and probs loses less then 70% of their games due to a gap in co-ordination and gear lvls.

IF YOU SOLO PUG BGs prepare for a bad time. watch as what is meant to be a tank get 2 hit. you can honestly tell if your going to win/lose before any fight starts just based on inspecting your team and looking at their stuff.

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People make fun of him in the arena forum and the BG forum :joy:

Guy is a joke .

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I’m aware. The saddest part is that it isn’t even a gimmick, he really is just :potato:

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Wrong… You don’t go into Wendy’s because you want Sushi. Then demand they start serving it even though it is out of place. WE ARE here in World of Warcraft for gear progression because WE love RPGs. Just because you don’t doesn’t mean this games core aspect should change ruining it for the majority of the player base.

What I said is not only common sense but what the majority of players are here for which is an RPG game. The majority of players hated Templates and Scaling. It has no place in this game. We are here to play an awesome RPG game and the vocal minority needs to try and stop changing World of Warcraft into something it’s not.

Dude , the arena forum laughs at you , the BG forum laughs at you . You don’t talk for anyone but yourself.

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Well aware of what RPG means been playing online RPG games for the last 20 years. The best RPG game of all time was Diablo 2 also had the best PvP.

A RPG game is a game where you have character progression/customization through leveling, gear and missions. Everyone knows what an RPG game means in todays games it’s mostly a gear based game. Which is why Ion said and I quote- ā€œWe understand why the majority of players disliked templates, we agree that templates removed the RPG aspect of the game which is wrong.ā€

You sound angry because the vocal minority didn’t get their way. However the majority of the player base is extremely excited that Scaling and Templates are gone. This vocal minority on the forums crack me up. You need to understand what type of game you are playing and stop trying to change it. Try to relax and enjoy WoW and hope in SL we get an awesome RPG.

The Devs and Ion said that SL will bring this game back to it’s RPG roots so that is exciting. Lets see what they can do and hope the power/gear progression is awesome!

We can have gear progression without the gap between beginning and end being absurd, just like it was back in TBC, you dont seem to want that though, despite claiming you want the game to be like it was in TBC.

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That isn’t going to happen. So I guess you have some decisions to make. I love when you can make characters into Immortal gods where you 1 vs 4 and win. That is what RPG PvP is about. SL might bring that back in a big way and perhaps content creators with some great BG montages getting 60 KBs will be epicly fun to watch. Lets hope.

Massive power gaps are awesome just enjoy the game and attain the power.

AKA Git Gud

It can happen, it has more of a likelihood of happening than the return of pvp stats, which is what you advocate for, so you have no room to speak there.

Funny, in your claimed "best PvP’ expansions, gear isnt what allowed people to do that, skill was. Gear didn’t make nearly as much of a difference back then as you seem to think it did.

Says the guy who admittedly needs to crutch on gear to win and wants skill to have nothing to do with whether or not he wins a fight, despite that not being how it was in your self proclaimed ā€œbest PvPā€ expansions of TBC and WotLK. The gear power difference between S1 gear (T4) and S3 gear (T6) was smaller than the gap that currently exists inside one season/raid tier.

It won’t

Hey PvP stats might never return either. Doesn’t change the fact it’s the only way to fix PvP gearing. Whether it returns or not doesn’t effect me. Just stating the answer to the problem.

It was both. The skill cap was higher but gear also would cause 1 shots. Some specs literally just couldn’t kill another spec. I am actually interested in what SL has in store because it has a lot of Diablo sprinkled into it and Diablo 2 is the best PvP game ever.

ā€œIf you find yourself in a fair fight…then your tactics suckā€

Sorry I love RPG games where it’s about power and that is why I play them. I am like Thanos I want to collect all the infinity gems to accomplish my goal. In RPG games that is the point to attain unmatched power then to wield it as you please over those that don’t have it.

You foolishly call it a crutch when power is really purpose.

And yet you claim you want the game to return to how it was in TBC, news flash, in TBC the gear power difference between S1 gear (T4) and S3 gear (T6) was smaller than the gap that currently exists inside one season/raid tier.

You are contradicting yourself with this nonsense, you cannot claim you want it to be like it was in TBC and also claim that you want to be able to one shot people who haven’t played since last patch, because in TBC the difference between a season’s PvP gear and gear from the season prior to it was really rather small… The ilvl difference between s3 and s2 gear was only 10 ilvl, 136 to 146.

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Yes that would be a vast improvement and why everyone is excited about TBC servers. Obviously the old expansions are better because they were still World of Warcraft. The last real WoW expansion was Cata.

There was a lot of 1 shotting in TBC. There were players getting 60 or 70 KBs in a BG. The same with WotLK. Those were great times obviously much better than now.

As you know power gaps and gear making builds incredibly strong is a foundation for RPGs and that is why Diablo 2 was the best PvP game of all time. However when I joined TBC/Wrath was great for an MMORPG and the perfect expansions for WoW. Maybe just maybe in SL we can have some really fun 1 shots like these classic RPG games of the past.

If so SL will be fun but better gear up fast and attain that power other wise get deleted.

AKA - Git Gud.

PS - I really hope Blizzard never listens to the vocal minority again. That is how we ended up with the worst PvP of all time with Templates/Scaling. Good riddance and SL PvP is saved!!! :heart_eyes:

I was able to do that in WoD and Legion and BFA. I’m like a walking, talking and breathing contradiction to whatever Abomb says.

And the only people getting 60 KBs in a match are people coming in with a full group and at least two dedicated healers.

The whole point of RPG games in 10 seconds…Unlimited Power!!!

THose oneshot videos were very set up, and people got more kills in BGs back then because healers could actually go OOM back then, manaburns still existed, and healers weren’t borderline invulnerable.

And yet in your self proclaimed ā€œbest PvPā€ expansions, the power gap in gear was not excessive. The ilvl difference between s3 and s2 gear was only 10 ilvl , 136 to 146.

And, yet, again, thats not how WoW was in your self proclaimed ā€œbest PvPā€ expansions.

Item level difference is very different from power difference. You could be about the same level and be 50% weaker due to not having sockets, trinkets, set bonuses or proper itemization. Get ready for SL where that returns with tons of enchants, conduits, soulbinds, legendaries, covenants. :smirk: :heart_eyes:

Unlimited Power!!! Lets enjoy the 1 shots coming it’s going to be very RPG.

If you get 1 shot you probably need to Git Gud…you don’t have the powa!!!

Except it does. ilvl is directly translatable into stat budget.

You realize we still have active databases of TBC gear as it was back then, right? You realize I can go look at the stats and see that they are not that different, right?

The diff between a s3 and s2 greatsword? 4 strength (8 attack power) and 4 crit rating and a whopping 7.2 dps, a marginal difference.

Again, all those ā€œone shotsā€ were very set up, they were not the norm, not even slightly.

You are making a fool out of yourself by continually posting this nonsense, you aren’t fooling anyone, even Blizzard will be able to plainly see that the things you are saying are blatantly false.

None of it is BIS