JAK put out a new video today with a different build. Not oracle tho but a pws based VW build. was interesting
Yeah, that build feels so good for pugs. If you use your group misses a lot of kicks you can snipe shield someone for 3m and end up okay, it’s pretty fun.
I tried Oracle though, and I just didn’t get it. I’m new to disc and I’m still feeling things out, but voidweaver feels really solid. I feel like I can handle any situation if I’m smart about it on Voidweaver, but with Oracle, my atonement feels weak, and nothing else besides shield really feels like it got a big enough boost to compensate.
Understandable. I’m not sure how new you are to Disc, but if you’re about an expansion or 2 new, you probably will feel way more comfortable with the heavy Atonement focused healing style of Voidweaver.
For me, I’ve played Disc since back when we were the “shield healers”. So, Oracle feels actually comfortable and familiar to me, oddly enough.
I really hope to see Oracle’s DPS bumped up a bit to at least be close to Voidweaver, because I personally love big shields and I don’t necessarily mind the Premonition spell mechanic as long as I can play a shield build effectively. I do have to say, I love the instant Power Word: Radiances as well.
Yeah I’ve ran that build too. Has sort best of both worlds. It’s really unfair that void has pws talent.
I still have more fun with oracle but the hybrid def has more consistency
I did a hybrid shadow bubble build in df s2 at the start out of creative desperation to handle the heal checks
Oh no, last time I played disc was in Legion, but I’ve played priest in every expansion before that except for MoP. I assume they were trying to make Oracle play like Discipline in cata then? I remember Big Shields, Borrowed Time, and Divine Aegis, but none of those talents currently feel as strong as they were back then. I know people hate Cata, but I really enjoyed all 3 specs of Priest during that era and wouldn’t mind them returning to those roots.
That’s largely all this post was for. Just uh, "Hey Devs, Oracle may not be working out the way you wanted it to work out. Mind turning up the numbers so it doesn’t feel like hot garbage until you get a chance to take a look at it more closely?
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“I like to figure out ways to make bad things do well. But at least in M+, for Disc Priest, the gap between Oracle and VW is so big it’s just disappointing atm.”
This is where I am right now. I really enjoy Oracle and I actually prefer the added difficulty compared to VW. I find it more rewarding to play difficult specs. But I feel like I’m running into walls in M+ which I don’t think I should be because I can clear them on lower ilvl alts.
It’s clear they don’t have any big changes planned, but seeing a few numbers tweaked would really be nice… otherwise, I don’t think I can continue playing Oracle.
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I was really excited to play oracle, just cause it was not the “META” but the popularity is 99-1 in raids and m+
I really don’t know what blizz is waiting for to completely rework and change those numbers.
I know ppl are capable of doing 11’s and raiding with oracle, and without that much of a difference in numbers on healing ofc, but today, after 3 patches iirc nothing was changed to make it more appealing is sad to see.
Ret palys had 2 good hero talents and got buffed a ton in the other one not chosen, idk why priest has no changes at all never, i’m getting sick of this, it’s like the 4th or even more change in spec and class tree palys are getting and we are left behind every single time, same on druids.
We DID get something though! They changed the icon for clairvoyance 
we are now part of the illuminati
In mythic raid today on the reset there isn’t a single Disc Oracle Priest in the top 100, once again lol. So I wish it were 99 to 1 but I don’t even think it’s that.
Sad part is it’s mainly a numbers problem. The spec itself is interesting if a bit convoluted and spaghetti at times. I’m positive it could be redesigned and made cleaner and more fun… But it’s already pretty fun if they would just buff the numbers in the mean time so it’s more competitive… Until they get dev hours to take a better look at it.
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I know you say this but perhaps this is part of the problem?
Even though they make seperate changes for PvE and PvP… all the time there still is some overlap.
Happens all the time in PvP… for example Holy Paladins got a flat buff across the board… (probably for PvE reasons) but had no buisness getting any of that in PvP. But when they increase things by a flat percentage it usually is only taking one piece of content into mind.
Buffing Oracle would need to be done while making 0 changes to PvP. As it is super strong rn in PvP. So this would have to be done creatively and not just have flat percentage based buffs.
Eh, there’s several spells that are OK to buff in PvE that aren’t amazing in PvP, and if it came down to it they’ve done a LOT of PvP aura nerfs to spells too. They could, for example, increase penance damage by another 20% in oracle, then reduce penance damage by ~15% in PvP and it’d come out near equal, with like a ~.8% nerf to penance damage in pvp.
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There are separate modifiers in the game for PvP and PvE. Both for damage, and for healing spells. You can literally turn up the node that buffs our Smite, Holy Nova and Penance by 50% then nerf those spells damage in PvP by the corresponding amount. It is actually that easy.
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I do 300-350k overall whenever I play VW Disc. Oracle is almost a 100k dps loss in comparison.
I said that I am aware of this in my post… however I do think thay nerfs and buffs sometimes have unintended effects on different types of content. Which is likely a reason that Oracle isn’t buffed.
Maybe the priorities are just different too… Oracle is at least used for those of us who like to PvP. Unlike other classes where PvE or PvP doesnt matter… there is only one viable spec and the other hero spec is completely unusable. Maybe their priority is trying to figure that out first.