Not talking about PvP
So we’re cool with 0 Holy Oracle representation in Raids?
Also 0 Disc Oracle representation in Raids and in Mythic+ (not talking about your weekly keys, talking about high end keys).
There’s seriously nothing we can do for this Hero Spec? I think it’s really cool. I like playing it. I play it when I’m not doing something serious. But it’s seriously bad.
There’s nothing anyone on the Balance Team can come up with to help it out in PvE? Nothing at all? You’re just gonna let it rot and hope people forget about it?
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Holy wasn’t touched at all which they should be ashamed for. But idk what I was expecting. TBF you could totally buff Oracle and it would not be OP in M+ even.
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It’s not mathematically possible for Oracle to touch Archon without nerfing Halo. Piety would also need to be reworked for raid.
You don’t have to nerf Archon, just buffs to Oracle as Holy would make it competitive.
All it would need, for example:
- Preventative Measures PoM 40% → 75%.
- Clairvoyance now REPLACES Solace instead of being a 4th prem
- This turns a 6 min fight into 5 potential pieties instead of the current 3.
Currently in raid, you can get ~10-15m healing each Piety cast as a realistic number if you’re ST healing yourself in my experience - sometimes higher. That would definitely close the gap with Halo.
Disc’s a whole other story. For it to be raid viable the damage given by preventative measures would have to go up quite a bit.
Granted, just doing that clairvoyance replacing Solace change would make the spec significantly better for both in all forms of content. For Disc, you’d have infinite radiance casts pretty much.
That would be like the little old lady who swallowed a fly. You go down that route they really will need to totally overhaul the spec to keep it viable, lest they end up swallowing the horse.
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It’s absolutely possible, numbers aren’t that scary… They just don’t want to.
Also, it doesn’t need to become meta. You can buff something just to make it better until you have dev time to fix something the right way.
It’s crazy to me Shadow can be tuned so Archon and Voidweaver are within like 10,000 DPS of each other in new sims, meanwhile Oracle is completely missing in action in all PvE content due to poor numbers. It’s like they don’t even try.
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If piety was instead reworked to just copy overhealing to all nearby targets instead of redistribute, then Oracle would be competitive. It would also be very strong for cascading overhealing from full hp targets to injured ones, utilizing more of the Priest kit.
For those who are unaware of the current mechanics, this means if you overheal with a 2.8M Serenity Crit and there are 4 people injured, then they all get 700k healing if you’re running Fatebender This change would mean they all get hit with a 2.8M Piety instead.
Edit: of course the values for piety would need to be tweaked, but it would mean youcan bring up a few people to full HP with a serenity, then utilize something like Circle of healing as the overhealing on all of them would redirect to other injured people.
Piety would be better if it just replicated a % of your heals to all targets around you regardless of overhealing. It’s a bit of a gimmick needing to GS yourself and do nothing but Flash Heal yourself for 10s in order to make Piety work properly. If you’re not doing that then Piety doesn’t really do that much healing especially if you’re not actually overhealing your targets.
Also, this raid tier has a lot of movement. The first 4 bosses have whole segment where you’re basically running around for 10-20s and/or there’s constant ground swirlies or other mechanics being spammed. Being able to plant and use Piety properly is an issue… let alone using Divine Hymn.
Archon Halo doesn’t have this same kind of issues. It can heal while you’re moving and it’s on a flat 1 minute cd which makes it easier for the raid lead to put it in an ERT note.
You should be able to pick which Premonition you want to use if it’s off CD.
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Would be nice. I just can’t get myself to switch out of archon because a) I want to pick my premonition or have it trimmed by at least 1 choice and b) GS’ing myself to have decent aoe healing it boo. 
Sucks to use a utility button for healing like that and too many variables for it to be wasted imo. Stars have to really align.
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If it became that, it would instantly outclass archon because it would essentially double the power of every raid cooldown you’d use not to mention cause lag every time since it even works with and Echo of Light and Renew. Limiting it to overhealing would lessen that processing cost and also raises the skill required for proper usage.
No. It will kill the other options the moment it becomes competitive with archon and voidweaver because those trees add nothing to the class aside from numbers.
Oracle gives a little more speed and some marginally higher utility. It can’t have comparable numbers without being better in all but very specific scenarios. Blizzard shouldn’t do it since most people gag when they think about playing it.
Yeah I am waiting for that.
Love the class fantasy of Oracle, but it’s heavily outperformed.
Why don’t add a talent that PoWS just literally burst into AOE healing for xx% amount absorbed?
Would be cool if you ask me
Not even asking for comparable numbers. For instance with Disc, Oracle is like more than 50% PvE throughput behind Voidweaver. You could practically double some of the nodes and it’d still suck. Just asking for them to bring it a little bit closer.
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Not accurate. I looked the other day and plenty of Oracle disc is doing +11 keys, tho yes i admit as an overall oracle is like .3% or some such
I will agree, i admit i was surprised that Oracle got no love, nor healing priests. Evoker got nerfed but their other spec apparently is strong. They seem to be neglecting priest overall for some reason.
Where you are getting this. I looked at some dungeons on warcraft logs and some oracles were def on the toip 100 listing for hps. Just not dps
Just Say Priests - The entire Class is D-Tier and should just be deleted from the game at this point.
The only reason why Holy is decent at Raiding is because of a Bugged Halo – We would be F-tier without it.
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Oracle is a failure of design. So much power is packed into the other hero trees that base holy/disc heals for nothing and oracle gives extremely low power outside Premonition, and Premonition seems designed from the top down with the previous healing paradigm in mind.
I can’t speak to how far behind it is, but it could heal for nothing and I wouldn’t mind. Priest is in such need of a foundational rework of every aspect that I don’t want oracle distracting from anything else when its current design is clearly not going to survive 11.1.
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this, grove, lightsmith, totem
such terrible hero talents for heals lol
pls stop the rotatin buffs they don’t feel fun to press or rewarding. ive tried so hard with oracle but its a clunk fest and needs a rework.
as a matter of fact it should really feel
good on a disc but it doesn’t
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Oracle sucks because you can’t pick your Premonition.
The concept of oracle is great but design wise Blizz is stuck on trying to make their version of FFXIV astrologian and it is just not panning out
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