But it hasn’t been abundant, that’s the thing. You know, I’ve pointed out TBC Classic is sitting right over there multiple times in this thread yet, everyone just completely ignores it. I keep asking people to point out all of this open world content but no one ever appears to do so, strange.
I’ve openly said leveling in this game is trash BUT I’ve always thought it was trash lol. You could be right, I don’t know, but considering most of the complaints are centered around endgame, I lean more towards probably not.
The vast majority of the games growth was during TBC, not Wrath. TBC had basically no open world content except for leveling zones. Similar to Wrath for the most part, at least until the Tournament grounds. If the argument that the game has a ton of open world content, people should be able to point it out, especially given the fact the game is literally right there for people to log into.
I think it’s very clear that you and I disagree on what open world content means. I think TBC has plenty of open world content, so much that it would have been impossible to experience it all on a single character. There was also the added PvP sections of the zones that provided an interesting dynamic to the game’s open world function.
I think leveling zones are open world content, you don’t, so at this point I think it’s better if we just agree to disagree and move on.
It’s not that I don’t agree that it’s open world content, it’s that it doesn’t fit into the premise of this thread. I actually agree that leveling is garbage, but to be fair, a quick leveling experience is what people seemed to want. I could be wrong here, but based on how dead Classic servers are now, my guess is that the majority of people still playing retail feel the same way.
I wish their were more zones, but total quest content has still gone up massively in modern expansions.
Each class hall in Legion was over 100 quests, basically an entire leveling zones worth for all 12 classes.
The ZM campaign is just at about 100 quests.
Each Covenant campaign is over 100 quests.
Blizzard keeps piling on new world content progression, mini-games, stronger gear relative to dungeons and raids, new content in every major patch instead of 1 patch per expansion like TBC and Wrath, etc.
I just can’t wrap my head around people saying that Blizzard focuses less on world content players in the modern game.
TBC classic is out right now so it’s not based on nostalgia. There is literally nothing for a solo world content player to do once they hit 70 other than finishing leveling zone quests. Then they get 1 new zone with IoQ the entire expansion.
Wrath isn’t much different, didn’t even add any new zones or areas just plopped down the Argent Tournament.
I think it more says many people treat this game (and have always treated this game) like…well a video game. Play it for a month or so, do the 1 time content like quests, some dungeons, maybe the first raid, then move on to another game.
Dismissive of others, which you literally continued through the ENTIRE thread, while also obsessively trolling over semantics, just so you could try to prove there’s not enough people to care about this type of content, seeing as how you also specifically said Blizz won’t waste time on a minority. Literally constantly claiming n"you’re a minority" to everyone or making off topic troll comments.
And your most recent:
Which your comment had absolutely NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TOPIC OF THIS THREAD and was concerning a comment SOMEONE ELSE MADE. Yet you chose to dismiss the ENTIRE thread based off of one person’s comment that wasn’t part of the OP.
And here’s proof you don’t even play this game, you’re just live here to troll:
Your sub just to troll the forums doesn’t give you the right to dismiss others.
They don’t even play this game and are just here to troll.
Dude, I said go find some and that’s what you brought me? A comment about one of your EDITED posts? Rofl, I’m not sure whether to feel sorry for you or pity you. Did you forget about your own post or something?
Yes, I dismissed an entire thread if the argument was about leveling zones. What, was reading a couple posts further back too difficult for you? I’m sorry .
I agree, which is why I said these conversations will never go anywhere for either side. It’s all speculation. Anything that claims to be embedded in fact is only partially done as you would need more evidence to corroborate your claims.
I understand, however, as I stated, I was never responding to what the thread was discussing (that being endgame zones focused on progression) more than I was another comment that claimed open world content was never a focal point. I wholeheartedly disagree with that claim and appropriately laid out my reasons why.
I don’t think you’re wrong to make this observation, but I also don’t find it to be an astute example, because Classic and TBC Classic, and inevitably WotLK Classic, are old variations of the content we’ve done for the last 18 years now. While it will be fun to play through those zones again as relevant content, the fact that it’s so old contributes to the lack of engagement among the playerbase.
Nobody realistically wants to do Dragonblight again, no matter how cool the zone might be, because we’ve done it 10+ times now. Any and all content to uncover in that zone has already been done. There are no secrets or hidden quests, nor are there any new easter eggs or treasures to find.
If you expect me to quote literally every single troll post of yours in this thread, you’re sorely mistaken on how much time I’m going to waste on your drivel.
500 posts later and you were STILL trolling with the same crap.
Nope. It’s for everyone else to hopefully ignore your trolling.
You didn’t provide conversation. You provided “there’s no such thing” and a lot of crap derailment nback and forth with Hawkens and others with snide remarks not even about the topic.
You’re acting so delusional it’s not even funny. Go back on ignore, troll.
That is fair as well. I’m certainly not trying to suggest raiders are a majority. But even if we use that 31% figure the other 69% is not strictly solo players. That 69% will have PVPers and M+ players or even pet battlers or auction house players. Then to further muddy the waters there is going to be a lot of overlap.
My main point being that IMO this game does not have a true majority. No 1 end game reaches 50% unless you include overlap then obviously solo would win as all players play solo to some extent. So if 25%, 30% or 40% of the players are engaging in 1 aspect of end game that is a significant number. And all the threads trying to suggest an end game that has 30-40% participation is insignificant is just bad analysis IMO.
To be fair, I personally feel like I had a meaningful discussion with them despite our differences and views on the game. I don’t think it’s their intention to flame you.
Weird how you completely ignored the fact he was the one that initially targeted me for no reason lol.
Ironic.
We both know that isn’t going to happen. If this was true, you never would have removed me from “ignore” in the first place lol. You are too desperate for attention.
This is so disingenuous btw. There are 168 hours in the week. Are you really implying you never log off? If you only spend 8 hours of the week playing wow then 100% of your time IN GAME is in group content…
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