"No New Content" confuses me

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For context, I started playing in BC, and took a long break at the end of WoD.

I really don’t understand complaints like “wow is dying” because there’s “no new content” or a “content drought.” This game is massive. There’s more content than you could ever do. The whole point of a mmorpg is that it can’t be “completed;” it’s an open endless world.

Have you won the STV extravaganza and gotten all the rewards?
Have you gotten Scale of the Sands and Ogrila reps to exalted?
Have you raided with leashes and collected all the battle pets?
Gotten the Tanaan Jungle and Ruhkmar mounts?
Finished “Gonna Need a Bigger Bag” and have all the goodies from Timeless Isle?
Completed all artifacts from archaeology and found the canopic jar that gives you the drake transform mount?
Found all the rare recipes for your profession?
Done all the quests? In every zone, of every continent?

And those are just specific examples. Are all reps exalted? Are all battlepets collected? All mounts farmed? Etc.

And that’s not even touching dungeons and raids and PvP. Have you done all scenarios? Gotten all the dungeon achievements? From every expansion? Beaten every boss in every raid on the hardest difficulty? Are you a Justicar? Have you reach honor level 100? 200?

What I think the actual complaint is, is that you have run out of progressive, max level, endgame, instanced, group content. And that is very different from lack of content generally. If that’s what you like, and that’s what you do, it’s perfectly legitimate to say that particular type of content is lacking. But if all you do is play 5% of the game, and finish that, of course it’s going to feel like there’s no new content.

But, and this is where my honest confusion comes in, if you haven’t done content yet, if you enjoy questing, or collecting (appearances, mounts, pets), or leveling, or lore, or completionism at all, in Shadowlands, what is different about those things from past expansions? If you haven’t done them, they’re new to you. Who cares if recent, you haven’t done it.

If all you care about is what will make your class dps harder, and things that challenge that dps, I get it. That’s fine, you like that part of the game, and you want more of what you like. But that doesn’t mean the game lacks content. It would be like if I collected every battle pet in the game, and have never set foot in a SL dungeon or raid, and I complained that there was a content drought and said wow was dying because there were no new pets for me to collect.

There’s a post from January 2019 where someone says “Bad News! I started doing old content - you know something is bad when you start doing old content. We need a new expansion, asap.”

And… I just don’t get it. If you want something new to do, why does it have to be recent. If you haven’t done old content, it’s new to you. What makes it different? Why does the “new” content have to be recent, instead of simply something you haven’t done before?

TL;DR: I think the framing of “no new content” is overbroad, and doesn’t speak to the actual issue/desire most people making this complaint have.

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What do you mean theres nothing to do at the park?
Until you’ve counted every rock on the floor, you have stuff to do.

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If you go to the park for the slides and swings, but ignore the slides and swings that you haven’t played on, because they were built last year and only want to play on new slides and swings, you’re not really there for slides and swings. Whatever you liked about SL, before you finished it, exists in the same form for 8 other expansions.

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There’s definitely a lot of content
Just a lot of it didn’t age well/isn’t fun

Yeah no

Maybe if zinhrok actually existed and didn’t take upwards of 4000 finds to get. Not fun

If someone doesn’t like pvp, telling them to go play battlegrounds because it’s content is a sure way to get them to quit the game

There are a lot of books at the library. It’s perfectly fine for me to complain that there aren’t enough space necromancer scifi novels without being told to just go read a police novel

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Then they should add more stuff. They park exists to keep people coming back, right?

Why does this park keep building slides and swings? are they insane? We have enough. give us something new, something fun.

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But if it is the same slides and swings you done allready that is the problem there are only so many ways to use them. Now say you put in a teether ball and horse shoe pit that’s more things to do.

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That’s not really true. I cannot queue for Legion 3v3 Arena. I can’t queue for BFA M+. I can’t go challenge myself with 25 other players in ulduar.

As far as that other stuff listed by OP… no I have not done all of that, completely. But yes, I have participated in the STV fishing extraganza. In classic (or maybe it was bc, but beside the point). I explored Outland and built up my rep with the Scryers. In burning crusade. I did argent tournament dailies, in wrath. I did content on the timeless isle… in mop. Etc, etc. no, you cannot just point at all the old things that probably a majority of players have already experienced in some form, as available “content”. It’s like the difference in an actual archaeological dig, and a museum. I don’t really get how people don’t get that doing the current raid tier, and going and farming mog in BRF aren’t totally different things.

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“No new content” is code for “We only like doing one thing in the game and don’t acknowledge anything else”

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Let me summarize OP’s point:

There’s no such thing as a content drought, there are endless things for you to do, for example you can kill boars in the Barrens for 8 hours.

Yep, that sounds like very exciting content to do.

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See: The only content that’s engaging to participate in and therefore the only content that matters.

I’m sorry but running around old content 1 shotting handfuls of low level mobs for old daily quests for rep grinds is not really content.

Also, people tend to complete all of the content they care about while its current, if they’ve been playing for a long time anyway. Going back for old content beyond like… transmog farming (which, again, isn’t engaging, it’s a chore) is about the only thing left if you did what you cared about already the first time through.

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Half the people around here would smack themselves in the head with the ball then demand the whole tether ball be removed and that the park designer’s suck.

And then go back to saying there’s nothing to do. :stuck_out_tongue:

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Ah, this nonsensical “logic” again…

So, unless you’ve done every single thing in the game, you can’t say the game lacks any new content.

Absolutely idiotic line of thinking.

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This be old content not new content.

Thus there is no new content.

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I want to but other kids always distract me.

I will never be bored here.

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Sadly you are probably right :laughing:

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I agree. That’s why I led with everything else.

I said it’s ok if you like a particular kind of content and want more of that. But when you don’t have that particular type of content that you like, to complain that there is a “content drought” is disingenuous. It reminds me of my kid who can’t have a second dessert screaming that he “never gets anything he wants.” It’s just way overbroad and the actual, legitimate, complaint is lost.

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I think you fit perfectly with the new dev team. Forcing people to do things they do not like seems to be the norm. This is a game and people like to do things they enjoy not forced.

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I think you’re missing the point. Why is it engaging? What do you get out of it?

You want a dps challenge. That’s what you like. You don’t care about quests or pets or achievements or lore or rep. That’s fine. You want new dps challenges. Period. Say that.

Again, it’s like me complaining that there’s a content drought because I have all the battle pets but haven’t set foot in a SL raid. You’d think I was insane to make that claim.

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When people typically say “there isn’t any new content” they are referring to content that is different enough then what is expected. And they also want it to be good as well.

So is Far Cry 6 and every other open world Ubisoft game ever created.

That aside, a massive game, doesn’t always translate out to “every piece of content in there is worth doing”.

A massive amount of quality, doesn’t mean all of it is going to be good or worth doing always.

Yes, i still yet to complete visions from BFA for example, but i don’t enjoy them.

Not all the rewards, just the ring that i’ve needed. Atfer that, i got no reason to go back and get all the rewards. The rewards for the most part, are just stuff you don’t really need. With the exception of the Dread Pirate Ring. Which even now it’s kind of pointless to go after since all the heirloom rings have their agi, str, and int stats taken out.

Typically dailies and such for grinding rep aren’t usually great content.

Achievements are usually independent from the actual ingame content. And i say usually, because some are required for something you might want.

As for Battle Pets, it is content, sure, i won’t deny it. Though it’s pretty much content on the same level as Gwent in The Witcher. It’s nice to have, but it’s not many’s people first pick.

Waiting for mounts to drop isn’t what i call content, unless there is a deterministic element… as in, not relying on luck.

I’m sorry, but are you trying to tell people to be a completionist if they want more content? :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

Well personally, it’s not just in that, but in leveling too. And before you say “You got 8 expansions, how much more you need?” It’s not about where i want to go, but what to do to level up. I think WoW should allow more options on how you level up, like making professions give you exp, have more secert areas or treasures around the area, bonus objectives that aren’t particularly combat related, more class or race specific stuff, and so on.

Quality.

… what would be the difference here? This isn’t like WoW’s dungeon where the level design, boss mechanics, mob placements, story and such are different and behind a loading screen that needs to be seen, the 2 slides and swings you’ve described, they both serve the same function. Why would they need to go on the other swing or slide, if they already experience what a swing and slide is?

I don’t care if the Park has 100 swings. You don’t need to sit in all 100 swings to experience the entirety of the park if it’s just the same.

Now if they put in a public pool, that would be new content. :slight_smile:

I understand where you getting at and i agree there isn’t a lack of content. They just don’t find content that is worth doing or quality.

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You’ve got some good points, OP, and for the most part, I tend to agree. For example, I’m not a mythic + guy, ran LFR Nathria repeatedly just to mog the parts of the leather set I wanted, only do BG’s when I’m really in the mood to, I’m basically a derpy casual that does open world stuff, qued dungeons, Torghast, and some occasional BG’s. After a while, a lot of that got…pretty …repetitive in SL.

So I started this project where I rolled another character with the intent on using Chromie time to do as much of the older content, starting with TBC, as the game would let me before going into SL with said character. My plan was to XP lock his butt at 49 to keep Chromie time from getting disabled, set certain things to accomplish, move the next old xpack, rinse and repeat. There are entire xpacks I haven’t seen the majority of, so it seemed like a solid plan. And I knew going in there would be some hiccups, such as can’t enter raids while in Chromie time and whatnot, and I accepted that.

Well, I got that character to Shadowmoon Valley, XP locked him at 49 as planned, and that’s where I learned I should have done it sooner, because at 48 is when Darion Mograine started calling me like a psycho ex-girlfriend to come to SW to start Shadowlands. I put that s*** on Untrack and pushed on. While in Shadowmoon, I noticed there are still a lot of open world group quests, where in most BC zones that was nerfed years ago. My guess was the devs didn’t think anyone would be taking a char that far before outlevelling, so they left it as it was. “Not a problem, find a group…s*** I’m the only one here…fine, I’ll hop out of Chromie Time, curb stomp this little bit of stuff and come back in…Chromie says no, the world needs me in SL…sigh”. I abandon the Mograin quest long enough to make CT usable again…which works…but there’s Darion blowing up my phone again.

The point is there’s only so many times I can dodge that conveyor belt the game tries to put you on to shuttle you into the current Xpack.

It’s gotten where I’m looking at the whole of Azeroth and it’s neighboring planets/dimensions, kind of like a big modern city that’s been continuously built over the older city. Sure you can take a tour of the tunnel system that used to be streets to catch a glimpse of what life was like back in the day, but even those tours have huge chunks that are roped off.

So yeah, absolutely, there are lots of things still to do that maybe you haven’t done before. I just wish the game would stop trying to conveyor belt me into the direction it wants me to go and just let me play the friggin’ game and let me experience it without trying to… ram their …shiny new toy thing …down my throat!

Okay I better stop now before I let myself say something that’ll get me flagged.

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