No Ion, Not Everyone Who Delves Wants to do M+

You realize that Jestarri agreed?

This!!!

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Id wonder why they don’t play a game that’s actually good for playing alone, but that’s another can of worms.

The easiest way to solve the problem is:
Remove rewards dropping from high level mythic plus and delves, and set no weekly reward from mythic plus and the delves.

Restrict item level like time walking dungeons when players in high level mythic plus and delves, let those who want to challenge themselves to play.

Keep repeating your new line.

This game is actually great for playing alone. You probably play it alone.

Are you telling me you get a group together to hold your hand while you level? Do world quests? Do your weeklies like odd wax, spider gossip, Lamplighters or machine protection?

You absolutely do not. Why would you?

It is a soloing game with some group activities. It always has been. You are not immune to the soloing aspect of this game.

Too many players get overly concerned with a SINGLE MODE OF PLAY (which mythics and raiding are) and ignore the rest of the game, to the detriment of their potential for entertainment. Solo players ignore the most stressful parts of the game, which lets us enjoy the game part of the game so much more.

I do follower dungeons for my weekly. And you know what happens when i get a phonecall? I turn off the autopull and take my phonecall. The NPCs dont kick me.

The hell would i ever go back?

I can chat with my guildies, be silly in general chats, and be as social as i like without having to feel like im holding someone back by being a real human being.

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I agreed that if you are finding that your mythic babies (new to mythics, but want to give them a go) are only ever doing delves because they’re easier, that splitting the gear would prevent that.

But i told you repeatedly that we ARE NOT skipping ANYTHING by getting good gear in delves. Because we aren’t engaging in any other content, nor would we. You are mad that the mythic babies are skipping out on being rejected or ejected from low keys. You are telling on yourself that YOU would skip mythics if you got identical gear while soloing. Solo players are not going to start jumping into other content. We have our own content (or we unsub!)

People hating mythics is a mythics issue. Not a delves issue.

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Doesn’t seem like they agree with you at all.

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? Yes, you are not skipping anything if you just do delves. But, you LOSE the ability to skip if Ilvl was nerfed.

You realize the ability to skip doesn’t mean you need to use it? It’s like ability pruning of something people don’t even put on their action bars or use at all.

Are they affected? no.

Same as you.

Again, you are consumed with the idea of solo players ever wanting to go into mythics.

We dont.

So how about this, we have identical ilvl for our gear…unless we step foot into mythic hell? Mythics could even be be gear normalized for added challenge unless you get gear with a mythic tag on it. You dont need better gear for mythics unless you do mythics.

That way my world questing doesn’t need to be nerfed. And the vast majority of people who play this game at launch wouldn’t have to bend and scrape for gear.

Let mythics be its own thing.

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I already agreed that this was a benefit for mythic plus players and raiders.

People already kill those in a few seconds lol.

Zereth Mortis had world quest set bonuses that elevated gear.

Downscaling delve gear in raid and m+ means raiders and mythic plus players get more content. And you don’t get anything more.

Does it hurt? Being this wrong all the time?

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I think a fair compromise would be to make delves a single player experience, make more tiers of them and allow Mythic gear to be available in vault at say Tier 12.

You should be allowed to bring friends into a delve but that should either scale the difficulty up or the rewards down. I dont see the point of 5 manning a delve. At that point you should be doing m+.

Delves for solo players / 2 players at most

M+ for 5 man groups

Raids for bigger groups.

Everyone gets what they want

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Unless you downscale delve gear outside, why would m+ players or raiders want this?

Why does every decision made in this game have to cater to sweatlord mythic raiders?

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It doesn’t. I’m just refuting this:

And mythic raiders haven’t had their way since M+ was put in the game.

That’s like a decade.

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Downscaling raid and M+ gear to greens in the world would give them more content as well. Longer fights = more content.

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No, world content isn’t content, it’s an annoyance.

That’s what walling PvE modes through gear that magically gets worse would be.

That’s what nerfing delve rewards would be.

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