Are these people in the room with us now? 
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Why would someone run a +8 when a heroic raid is easier and gives significantly higher room to screw up?
Delves are am ENDGAME PILLAR by blizzards own admission.
The entire point of ENDGAME pillars is that the highest level of one will invalidate the lower levels of the others. This is quite literally the entire point of multiple pillars existing.
If they nerf delve loot, they better nerf both m+ and raid loot because they also invalidate lower tiers of each other too.
See how that works?
Ions problem is he isn’t accepting delves are an endgame pillar, which is what his team decided on. He’s seeing them as an additional thing people should be required to do.
Like always Ion is trying to enforce his own personal opinion of the game on the entire game. It’s a repeat of "why would you play more than one character? " and “i think flying detracts from enjoyment”
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These are the hypothetical M+ers who are also toxic to every person who has an IO below 3k and won’t let people into 2’s if they’re not the meta specs.
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If that was true then raiding, M+, Delves can all have equal gear tracking.
But if they do that then it’s actually handicapping group content, because group content is inherently harder to coordinate and schedule. So if everything gives equal rewards then it will actually favor solo content.
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No Ion. NO!
No. Because they still have a “hardest content to easiest content” system.
This is NOT AN OPINION.
You can Google and find Dozens of interviews where blizzard calls them a new endgame pillar. It’s literally why they added it to the vault.
I swear.
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Well it can still be an end game pillar if it rewards lower ilvl gear than early M+.
I still fail to see the problem.
It serves a purpose of gear progression.
Until you can make a Delve as difficult as a +10 I’m not sure that it really needs better available rewards, since I imagine parity in this case would be Myth track vault. I don’t think they can achieve this unless everything is Zek’vir ?? levels of difficulty. And I’d imagine people in here aren’t signing up for that level of difficulty either being that it’s still only 6% of profiles who’ve cleared it.
Your interpretation of “End game pillar” is probably not in line with what they meant, so it’s kind of just a semantic argument to say “They said it’s end game why isn’t the gear on par?!”
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+8 was easier until they gutted silken court or even +9 really.
Also, keys are infinitely farmable in theory, so if you kill silken court, you can’t do it again the same week.
I love actually being able to use the vault. It feels good. Even if I hate having it be my only gear piece if I get bad rng, but thank god it’s there.
But this is the first time I’ve actually done Wow endgame. It always made me quit because it’s so convaluted and people dependent.
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Massive agree with OP. Don’t nerf 1 content because of another.
I’ve heard both the ‘I feel like I ‘have’ to Delve/Dungeon/Raid’ to be competitive and the answer is always maximising your content will always give the greatest benefit. But the complaints always end up having people push content higher and higher.
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It better not be!!! Like people like Delves, Blizzard themselves are happy with it. Why screw it over?
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When I came back for TWW (after leaving the game in BFA) I was quite surprised to find Ion still in charge. I’ve never seen a lead dev more out of touch with the players or lead over such precipitous declines in subscribers and manage to keep his job. He’s got some good dirt on someone. 
Look if you invite a person with 0 io to a +8 and fail that’s on you, not the players and these players who do delves won’t be about to a +8 keys since they never did the lower m+, if they got carried and post thier +8 and you join that’s on you also raider io shows you the GL io what keys they did etc if you still join that’s on you.
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Group content is always going to be more difficult in a mmo because, by design, the game is meant to emphasis coordination, and ultimately relationships between players.
Delves fly in the face of all that. The one pro-delve argument that I see repeating, over and over, in this thread is that they are easier, and because they are easier (and offer comparable rewards), people prefer to do them over m+… … The tone is defeatist, and I find it depressing to read.
Good for you! Other people take more time. We’re all different.
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I don’t under the hate for Delves and delve loot.
M+ is way more toxic to the game. Heroic dungeons were the best thing ever till M+ came along. If anything, M+ should be deleted.
See what I did there?
Anyway, I think the hate over what one can and does verse the other is silly fallacy comparison & we should just unite with our displeasure towards the “Elitist Jerk,” acting like that’s all that is here.
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You see that from M+ fans. What you see over and over from Delve fans is that we don’t like M+, and, when being specific, don’t like the timers and don’t like the toxic playerbase, among other dislikes.
Personally, I liked multi-player content better than single player content when people were supportive and cooperated. It was more fun and more rewarding, both in terms of gear and in terms of simple fun. Now, both are more rare, so I do delves.
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Different content awards different things. Blizzard is right to look at Tier 8 delves and understandably not want to award heroic item level loot for it. At most a tier 8 delve should be on par with normal raid loot.
It’s that easy.
Yeah I tend to think the community did this to themselves and don’t realize it.
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