No Ion, Not Everyone Who Delves Wants to do M+

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@Trustlvlfour-zuljin

Shouldn’t that mean that someone who’s never touched an m+ dungeon all season should still be showing a 0 score regardless?

Thats correct. Granted I haven’t seen alot of this pugging keys on my alt warlock. But more often is what I see is higher geared players (say like 615) doing +4 and +5 and missing alot of the important gameplay fundamentals. But again, I think people have wised up to not invite a 610 toon with no keys done.

I think this whole hubub about delves being too rewarding is blow out of proportion but I think Ion is right in that M+ needs a better on ramp to learn the dungeons and delves played a role in that. It used to be that you’d use M0 as an into during heroic week or right before the season started and the +2/+3s keys to get familiarity with mechanics, but if you’re way overgeared (imagine being like 605) then you don’t learn some of those important things like defensive usage or CD management since you’re just blowing through the dungeon at lightspeed. But again, that can be remedied by outside research and stuff. I also think M+ and Mythic raiders will not be running delves in mass at the start of season 2 since heroic week is going away so you can jump into key off the bat.

@Faezwrystsyn-rexxar

You’d think players would gravitate to a difficulty of content they’d enjoy… but more often than not, they don’t. Especially when their ideal difficulty is widely regarded as a “stepping stone” to harder content they often don’t enjoy.

It is exceedingly rare to see players find the “happy medium” unless it’s one of these:

• Heroic Raiding
• Mythic Raiding
• Higher Mythic+ Dungeons with a steady group

There’s always a few transient players trying to move up through these groups, but they seem to be the only logical end-points for WoW as a whole. Never mind that players may simply not enjoy that TYPE of content.

So for everyone else, what’s left is just unsatisfying.

I think another part of it is that people try to push those different areas of content at a level/intensity they aren’t comfortable/capable of doing. The happy medium is found at how hard you go into those groups. I have a few friends in a a guild where they push for AotC as fast as their group can handle with their schedule and down it in a month. For me I normally just do the bare minimum for M+ and that works for me normally but during season 3 a decided to push a little harder for fun, only getting up to like to 3.18k with a handful of +25s. Another group of my friends are in a 2 night mythic guild and just have fun with the boys getting bosses with the mentality “we go as far as we go”. I think in those 3 areas theres alot of levels of intensity that you can align yourself to fit your comfort.

@Gundai-malganis

Ion NUKED WQ into the ground in DF. This is no more titan-forging or AP grind because raid loggers felt “force” into doing every WQ and spamming Maw of Souls.

This is why I hope they will expand delves and have delve specific gear thats more powerful in delves for those to want delves to be their end game to seperate themselves from group PvE plays and to prevent Mythic Raiders just steam rolling it because of gear. Basically like Pvp gear. It should still be somewhat good gear like is now should delve players want to go dip their toes into other content. But Ion in the interview is more wanting to mess with M+ rather than mess with delve rewards. Delve gear “invalidating” keys lower than +7 isn’t a flaw related to delves, its a flaw related to M+ and M0.